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erwin: Back Again. said 04/07, 08:10 PM
I'll say running backs by committee are good for football: players, coaches, whomever.
First, the players. The running back committee approach will get unheralded players like Maurice Jones-Drew a lot of playing time. Therefore, that makes happier players, and happier players means harder working players. Harder working players means more wins.
Secondly, the coaches. It allows coaches and coordinators to diversify their team's offensive attack. Most running back committees have one power guy, and one speed guy. It really keeps defenses on their toes. Just look at how successful the Jaguars' and Vikings' rushing attacks were. They used a committee approach.
And also, it prevents tiredness. By limiting a running back's workload, the player is not as tired as he would be if he carried the ball 380 times. Then, come playoff time, your running back is not as tired and will make plays.
The committee approach also prevents injuries, or at least makes things more positive when they do get injured. By using a committee, a running back doesn't take the beating he would without a committee. He is always fresh. And, with two running backs, the other usually fills in well.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 04/07, 09:09 PM
Sorry, I accepted this then forgot all about it.
Running back by committee is a polite way of saying you don't have a stud in the backfield who can handle the load.
Would you want Walter Payton in a committee approach? Emmitt Smith? How about Ladanian Tomlinson?
If you have a great workhorse back, you'd never want him to split carries with a lesser RB. It's when you don't have that kind of elite player that makes the committee approach make sense. But given the choice, I'll take LT out there on every down over some two back system. Defenses have a much harder time defending against a guy like Tomlinson who can do so many different things than they do shutting down a committee back who generally has one or two strengths but also weaknesses you don't have to worry about.
The Jags and Vikings success had more to do with their respective offensive lines than the committee approach itself. The NFL is a copy cat league and many teams have taken on this approach, but that doesn't change the fact that if you have a stud RB you want him on the field as much as humanly possible and, in that case, a committee approach would be detrimental, not beneficial.
erwin: Back Again. said 04/07, 09:50 PM
You say a running back committee means you don't have a single guy who can be a workhorse. I can name eight teams that used the running back committee approach last season:
Raiders
Jags
Vikings
Cowboys
Giants
Saints
Atlanta
Bills
Out of these 8 teams, 5 missed the playoffs. And New Orleans and Minnesota both finished at 8-8, and got left out in the crowded NFC race.
The Jags success had more to do with their RBs than anything. One of their RBs, Fred Taylor was a Pro Bowler, while the other, Maurice Jones-Drew, was 7th in the NFL in rushing TDs. That's a fantastic combo, don't you think?
The reason the committee approach is more successful is this. It allows the offense to mix up plays and make the defense think. For example, if one of their RBs is running well, the playaction pass will work well. And, if you have a running back who is more of a power runner, you can spell him with a speed guy while getting a nice run or two in the process.
The fact is, there are a lot of teams that don't have that stud RB you're talking about. And if they don't, a committee approach is the way to go.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 04/07, 10:09 PM
"Out of these 8 teams, 5 missed the playoffs."
Which supports MY position. Only 3 of those teams MADE the playoffs. And the Cowboys didn't make it by running the ball, quite the contrary their starting RB had a horrible year. The Cowboys made it with the best airial attack in team history.
That leaves the Giants who won with defense and the Jags who do, in fact, have two starting quality RB's.
If Adrian Peterson stays healthy next year, how much of a committee approach do you expect Minny is going to use? You want the ball in his hands at least 20 times/game. That doesn't happen if he's on the bench.
Then we have the issue of what defines "running back by committee"? Some teams alternate their RB's based on down and distance, others do it based on alternating series simply to keep both backs fresh. The Cowboys, for example, used Julius Jones for two series, the Marion Barber for two alternating in that order until later in the games. It's not about going with the hot hand so much as keeping both backs active and rested at the same time.
This also doesn't address switching backs out for pass protection or short yardage situations. RB by "committee" isn't really how it sounds
erwin: Back Again. said 04/08, 07:29 PM
Let me make a point to you:
The New York Giants WON the Super Bowl. Throughout the season, Brandon Jacobs was a key part of the Giants' attack. Then, late in the season, Ahmad Bradshaw comes and does a fantastic job in spelling Jacobs every so often. It's actually one of the best committees I've ever seen.
"It's not about going with the hot hand so much as keeping both backs active and rested at the same time."
Actually, it's both. There will be times when Maurice Jones-Drew makes a fantastic run, then he's subbed out for Fred Taylor. Other times, he's not and he's kept in. He is kept in for this reason: If he's running well, why stop?
If he's taken out, it's for either of these reasons, or both:
He's tired OR
The OC/Head Coach wants to keep to defense off guard.
The best part of the two-back system is that it keeps both backs refreshed but they're still getting a lot of playing time, while it allows the coordinator and/or head coach to really get diverse in their offense.
Basically, the two-back system has been extremely successful. I would never use it with LT, but many teams don't have an LT. A 2 back system is the way to go there.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 04/08, 10:10 PM
OK, so the Giants won the Super Bowl. Was that because of a "running back by committee"? Of course not.
One of the best committees you've ever seen? Impossible. Because it wasn't a committee to begin with.
Brandon Jacobs was their feature back whenever he was healthy. Calling Bradshaw part of a committee is laughable. He only once carried the ball more than 4 times in a game during the regular season, and only rushed 23 times all year. Total. In the 10 games in which Jacobs was healthy, he carried the ball 194 times. 19.4 per game, and more than 20 times in 7 of the 10. That's NOT a committee. By way of comparison LDT averaged 19.6 carries per game last year. That's feature back territory
Marion Barber III averaged 12.75 carries per game with Julius Jones averaging 10.25. THAT is a committee. But, again, the Cowboys didn't win because of the running game. How much better would their running game have been with MBIII as the feature back? Most likely substantially better
Many running backs have to play most downs to get into the rhythm of the game. How many times have you heard an announcer say "This guy just gets stronger as the game goes on"? Shuffling in and out negates that
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Hey, CCC. I don't think we've ever TD'd against each other before. Good luck.
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Same to you erwin, and I think you're right.
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It depends on what yiour team has at running back. I mean if I had LDT at Running back I would want to to get him the most touches as possible. It is really dependent on the team and the talent of that team.
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Tomlinson was in a running back by committee, forgot about Turner?
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Tomlinson was in a running back by committee, forgot about Turner?
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I wish the Lions had a RB committee...or just a RB would be fine too!
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"Tomlinson was in a running back by committee, forgot about Turner?"
That was NOT a RB by committee. EVERY team has a backup RB who gets some touches to keep the starter fresh, that's not the same thing as a RB by committee.
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Had Lynch not been injured he would have been the guy in Buff.
I think trying to feature multiple backs is confusing. Good players want starring roles- look at all the RBs who leave commmittee situations for full-time gigs.
Like CCC said, every team has a backup that can play a role, but my personal opinion is that teams need those roles to be clearly defined.
That said, I'll wait for finals.
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It is never smart to put all your eggs in one basket. a properly staffed Committee gets my vote.
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I'd take the MJD/Fred Taylor combo over probably every running attack in the league other than LT, but it is very rare that a team gets a combo like that.
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I kind of like the "comittee" approach, but CCC makes some dang good arguments against it.
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Committee can hurt some players....some RBs don't get warmed up and start pounding the big yards when they keep getting pulled....for the skins, Betts was doing great when he took over for an injured portis, but when portis came back the next year, betts couldn't get back into his groove cause he had to keep giving up time to portis. The offense needs to learn the flow of 2 different backs and their different styles which can confuse things and make it more diffcult to have an effective offense!
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ultimately, I think it all depends on the team, the players, and the situation...thus I abstain from voting as I agree both ways a different times
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I like the committee approach too, but erwin really shot himself in the foot with that second argument
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Committe???...HAHAHAHAHA.....what the ????? FUNNY THOUGHT! I like to be on a Cheerleader committe, myself!!!
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Notice the team that won the national title and super bowl both had commitee's
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Good Job Irwin. This one main paged so I'll finish later after it gets some more exposure.
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It's Erwin with an E!
Thanks for a great TD. I was just in a TD with a guy, and he didn't follow the rules...this was good.
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Committe???...HAHAHAHAHA.....what the ????? FUNNY THOUGHT! I like to be on a Cheerleader committe, myself!!!
Kewa_Native | 04/08/08, 02:41 PM
Do you know ANYTHING about football? Seriously? Are you, like, 5 years old or something?
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