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Sully. said 04/15, 10:05 PM
Make an offensive roster of current AFC East players. (Free agents that have signed this offseason count, but guys that are now with teams out of the division do not.)

You must have at least two differences. I'm sick of coming up with a full list only to have somebody tweak one single player and win because of just that and leeching off of my other picks. Thanks, it makes it more fun to debate other positions too.

QB: Tom Brady (NE)

RB: Marshawn Lynch (BUF)
RB: Ronnie Brown (MIA)

TE: Benjamin Watson (NE)

WR: Randy Moss (NE)
WR: Wes Welker (NE)
WR: Lee Evans (BUF)

riceowls75 said 04/15, 10:30 PM
QB: Tom Brady (NE)

RB: Laurence Maroney
RB: Ronnie Brown

TE:Ben Watson

WR:Moss
WR:Evans
WR:Coles

My reason for picking Coles over Welker is because welker is a system product. Not to take anything away from Welker, but if Welker was in the same situation as Coles welker wouldnt be nearly as succesful. While if Coles played slot for NE, he would have more sucess playing slot than what Welker would have outside.

While Welkers stats are much better, that is because the Pats pass much, much more than the Jets do and NE has a way better QB. Coles also plays with a worse O-line than what that Pats have which makes him run short routes instead of the deep routes he is best at. Welker has bounced around different places and has not had sucess until he was with the Pats. For Welker to be effective at all, he must get a clean release off the LOS. The same is not true of the simiarly sized Coles. Coles has been effective at any WR position and unlike Welker has had sucess in different sytems.

My arguement is based on ablilty, not 2007 stats. Please take tht into account before you vote against me for dissing Welker.

Sully. said 04/15, 10:56 PM
So we have Lynch vs. Maroney and Welker vs. Coles.

Lynch had 280 carries, 1,115 yards and 7 touchdowns.
Maroney had 185 carries, 835 carries and 6 touchdowns.

I'm not basing this off of stats alone, but Lynch put op those numbers on an offense that was 30th in total points, total yards, and passing. And his running lead the Bills to be 15th in rushing offense. That's huge. Teams knew they were gonna run, and they still had trouble against Lynch.

Maroney put up his stats on the best offense in NFL history. I'm not impressed just yet.

Welker vs. Coles
Welker had 112 catches for 1,175 yards and 8 touchdowns.
Coles had 55 catches for 646 yards and 6 touchdowns.

While I don't mean to argue only stats, let me say this. Before Welker came to New England, he was on a terrible Dolhpins team. And before he came to play with Tom Brady, he only started 3 games in his 4 year career. You can't tell me he was a bad receiver who was made by the Pats when he rarely even got a chance to show us his talent.

And obviously the Patriots knew something we didn't about Welker, because they traded for him. They knew he had talent and that he would be a great fit.

riceowls75 said 04/16, 11:09 AM
Lynch: 4.0 ypc Maroney: 4.5 ypc

Maroney has a clear edge in that statistic. You say that Lynch was still very effective even though teams knew Buffalo was going to run, but he averaged just a average 4.0 ypc. Maroney has just as many 100 yard games as Lynch does, despite playing in a pass happy offense.

While you can say that when Maroney ran teams werent expecting it, thats not true. Most of Maroneys carries came out of a power formation with at least 2 TEs. Maroney also did not fumbel all year. compared to Lynchs two fumbles. Maroney also managed 7 touchdowns which is only one less than Lynch. that is quite a feat considering the fact that he played with Tom Brady, who had 50 tds last year.

Maroney had 95 carries less, but only finished 290 yards behind Maroney. All Maroney would have to do to egual Lynchs stats with those extra 95 carries would be 3.0 ypc. Maroney could easily do that, and would most likely have more yards if the carries were equal.

If Maroney ended up with an equal amount of carries as Lynch, based on his average Maroney would have 1260 yards compared to Lynchs 1115 yards.

Sully. said 04/16, 11:38 AM
4.0 ypc is nothing to laugh at considering the talent he had around him. Look at the talent Maroney had around him. He had THE best offensive line in football, and still managed to only gain half a yard more per carry than Lynch did.

Even with Maroney on the highest scoring offense in NFL history, Lynch found the endzone more. That should tell you something right there.

Onto Welker, let me say this. I'm not saying Welker could be the #1 receiver for any team out there. But he is the best slot receiver in the league. There is no denying it. And that is what he will play on my offense. Call him a system product if you'd like, but before you do, look at the system he's gonna be in on the roster for this throwdown.

If you honestly wouldn't take Welker as your third receiver, you're insane.

riceowls75 said 04/16, 11:55 AM
When I think All-AFC East team, I think the best 3 WRs in the division on talent alone. Not who would be the best at certain positions, but which 3 would do the best as a NO. 1 WR for any team in the league. And thsoe 3 are Moss, Evans, and Coles. Yes, Welker is the best slot WR in football. There is absolutely no denying that. But the best WRs play outside, not slot.

Imagine what Moss could do if he had a LB attempting to cover him 80% of the time. His production would be off the charts! The same thing goes for Coles and Evans. However, If Welker was forced to move outside , he would not be near as effective. Welker is a great WR, dont get me wrong. But, he is not one of the top 3 all around WRs in the AFC East.

Lynch found the endzone more yes. BUT ONLY ONCE MORE IN 95 MORE ATTEMPTS!!! In my opinion Maroney would o better in BUffalo than what Lynch did, and Lynch wouldnt be as effective as Maroney was with New England. On pure talent alone, I will take Maroney every time.

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I will explain Maroney in my next arguement.

riceowls75 | 04/15/08, 10:32 PM

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