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  • April 20, 2008 03:03 PM ET

Out of these 3 Yankees pitchers (Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, and Ian Kennedy), who will have the most successful career?

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Joba Chamberlain will.

Right now he's in the bullpen, but he should be in the Yanks' rotation by the All-Star break. And once he gets there, he should do extremely well.

I understand the Yanks are limiting Joba's innings to about 150 to preserve his arm. But right now, we shouldn't take that into consideration. As Joba gets older and matures, there won't be innings limits anymore.

Joba has some of the most electric stuff in baseball. His fastball is one of the league's best, topping 100 MPH every once in a while. His slider is becoming deadly and is his "out" pitch. The curveball and changeup are progressing strongly and soon he will have a diminant 4-pitch repertoire.

Joba has otherwordly talent and as he matures should become one of the best pitchers in the American League.

Hughes and Kennedy both have bright futures, but Kennedy's fastball only hits 92 MPH and Hughes' curve won't do everything. They need to add another good pitch to their repertoires before I'd consider them the ace of my staff.

Joba is a future ace. He has an extremely bright future and will have the most successful career out of those Yankees pitchers. I have no doubt he'll do well.


I'll say Hughes because Joba has much more to prove as a starter.

Starting games every 5 days is much different than throwing 1 inning for 3/4 days of the week. Even though Hughes has struggled thus far this season, we know he can pitch like a stud. He's got the stuff. Look at that no hitter he was throwing in his 2nd start at Texas last year before he had to leave with the hamstring injury. He's got ace stuff. Joba has never even started a game in his career and rarely has pitched more than 1 inning.

"Joba is a future ace"

I gotta see him start first to say he's a future ace. I gotta see him work an entire line-up for 7 or 8 innings and control the game. Not coming in for one inning and throwing gas. Starting also needs smarts. Basically, wait till you see him start and do good at that before calling him an ace.

I'll call Hughes a future ace because I've seen him have great starts.


Hughes has been WAY too inconsistent throughout his career for me to consider him. But even though Joba hasn't started a game yet, I know what I'm gonna get when he jogs out from the bullpen.

You'll get quick outs. Joba will strike batters out with his menacing fastball, or get them off balance with that slider. He's always keeping his team in the game, no matter what.

Hughes has talent. But remember that Texas game? He got injured. I want a pitcher who's durable and can still pitch well.

Hughes has struggled MIGHTILY this year, and I've been having some doubts. Is he REALLY the next big thing? It takes young pitchers ahwile to adjust, but he's struggled more than most other rookies.

You don't think Joba's smart? I do. First, he's not afraid to let hitters make contact. He knows his fielders are behind him and they're gonna do their jobs correctly. But when I see Hughes pitch, at times he tries to do too much. He doesn't want hitters to make contact, he tries to strike everyone out.


"You'll get quick outs. Joba will strike batters out with his menacing fastball, or get them off balance with that slider. He's always keeping his team in the game, no matter what."

Just because he can come in for one inning and blow everyone away with 2 pitches doesn't mean he can walk his way through a line-up. I think he has the potential, but we haven't seen him pitch against the same line-up multiple times. I didn't say he isn't smart, but I need to see if he can adjust when the going gets rough in a start.

Remember how a lot of Yanks were getting hamstring injuries around the time Hughes got is? Remember the Yanks ended up firing the trainer because of it? Hughes has never been a pitcher who got injuried. That was something that happened that hasn't come back since.


Joba doesnt only have two pitches. To go along with his fastball and nasty slider, he's got an above-average changeup and a pretty nice curveball. Hughes' best pitch is his curveball, but after that it's decent.

The worst situation Chamberlain was in was the "bugging" in the playoffs against the Cleveland Indians, and that wasn't all his fault. Joba knows a lot better now.

You're stressing smarts as a starter, and I agree they're important. But Hughes still has A LOT to learn, and I think Joba is ahead of him in the learning curve for young players.

Let's face it, Hughes is afraid to have hitters make contact. He is trying to put every pitch right in the strike zone, and hoping the batter will miss. It worked in the minors. It's not gonna cut it in the big leagues. Batters are gonna crush the pitches belt-high and down the heart of the plate.

Joba, even though he has electric stuff that could strike out any hitter, isn't afraid to have hitters make contact. He knows he's got his fielders behind him, and he should use them.


"Joba doesnt only have two pitches. To go along with his fastball and nasty slider, he's got an above-average changeup and a pretty nice curveball."

We haven't seen Him use all those pitches ONCE in a major league game while going through the same line-up multiple times. Hughes has done it and done it well.

Lets look at Joba's small sample of starting in the minors

Single A- 7 starts, 4-0, 2.03 ERA, very nice
Double AA- 7 starts, 4-2, 3.55 ERA, not bad but not great
Triple A- Pitched only 8 innings giving up 5 hits in 3 appearances

What proof do you have that Joba can be a great starting pitcher? He did really good in Single A and did okay in AA.

"Let's face it, Hughes is afraid to have hitters make contact."

You're getting Hughes confused with Ian Kennedy. That's been Kennedy's problem, not Hughes.My main point is Joba hasn't made 1 start in the bigs yet and you're calling him an ace. Hughes has proved he can pitch great in the bigs. Joba hasn't. He's proved he's a fantastic back of the game guy, but we haven't seem him adjust to a line-up nor use all his pitchers.

I'm going with Hughes.

April 20, 2008  04:40 PM ET

chamberlain definetly but the only concern is that he doesnt get injured like kerry woods because woods was once relished for his pitches and now is considered a injury prone

April 20, 2008  04:46 PM ET

Probably Hughes.

April 20, 2008  05:20 PM ET

hughes,but ill wait

April 20, 2008  06:01 PM ET

personally i think Joba the Hutt, but --> gives a somewhat better argument

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April 20, 2008  06:08 PM ET

100 mph fastballs don't make great pitchers; Greg Maddux's topped around 92 in his prime, and even nowadays, when it tops at about 89, he still gets the job done. Doubt Joba will be throwing 100 mph heaters as a rotation pitcher anyways.

April 20, 2008  07:17 PM ET

Joba only pitched a tiny bit last year, I think it isr too early to say if he will be good or not in the future.

April 20, 2008  08:56 PM ET

100 mhp fastball certainly helps and does it seem like chamberlain doesn't have control

April 20, 2008  09:32 PM ET

Worst situation for Joba is, No one really knows how he will respond to the starting pitching role. THat is a huge adjustment. I am not so sure that he will be able to maintain his succes for over 200 innings instead of just over 20.

April 20, 2008  09:41 PM ET

The thing is, this is a very hard topic to argue.

If Joba has 7 35+ save seasons, and Hughes wins 18 games 3 times, who is more valuable? And then tweak those stats a little. There's just no way you can reach a conclusion either way..

April 20, 2008  09:47 PM ET

Joba will probably be better. Hughes has looked rough, and Chamberlain has much better stuff than Hughes right now. Mind you this is all a projection and very much unpredictable.

April 21, 2008  02:52 PM ET

I think Jpba will be more successful, as a closer, not a starter, so base don the arguments, i vote right

April 21, 2008  03:13 PM ET

When Joba beings to start, you'll see the velocity of his fastball drop drastically. He's going to be using the arm a lot more, and won't be able to keep it as fresh as it is now.

April 21, 2008  03:26 PM ET

The statistics say the Joba will go the way of Zumaya, Woods and countless other flame throwing young pitchers. He will have a season or two where he shows brilliance and then mother nature and the human anatomy will step in and prove once again that no matter how strong or well conditioned a pitcher might be, there is a limit to the torque that tendons and ligaments can withstand. There will be two pops. The first will be from somewhere in his pitching arm and the second will be the bubble of all the Yankee fans that think he is the second coming of the Rocket! LOL

Sorry B0mb3rs, I couldn't resist buddy, but somewhere down deep, in places you don't like to talk about at parties, you KNOW I speak the truth!

April 21, 2008  03:27 PM ET

In fact, Cashmen knows it too, why else would there be the "Joba" rules. Did you ever hear of such a set of rules for any other prospect??

 
April 21, 2008  03:39 PM ET

In fact, Cashmen knows it too, why else would there be the "Joba" rules. Did you ever hear of such a set of rules for any other prospect??

[MOH] Coach | 04/21/08, 03:27 PM


Could be because he knows Joba is better and realizes more care is warranted. The fact is that there's no way to predict what either will be. At 21 and 22 years old respectively, they just don't have enough experience for us to know. Both have incredible minor league stats though- Hughes has a lot more experience in the farm system and sports a better WHIP while Joba's K:BB is superior.

If you put a gun to my head, I'd guess Joba simply because the Yanks have already demonstrated a willingness to use him in multiple roles. Hughes, on the other hand, appears to be locked in as a starter.

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