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NBA Vowel Lineup

The Bandit said 04/23, 09:43 PM
Put together a regular 5 man starting lineup using all the vowels (A, E, I, O, U) as the first letter of the player's last name. Make sure to use each one of them. Use CURRENT players only. Base stats only from this past season. Please try to use their natural position.

Make your list on 1st box, then compare and argue on 2nd and 3rd box. Thanks.

Here's mine.

PG Beno Udrih ( Kings)
SG Monta Ellis (Warriors)
PF Lamar Odom ( Lakers)
SF Carmelo Anthony ( Nuggets)
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas ( Cavs)

gasol. said 04/23, 10:09 PM
PG- Beno Udrih (Kings)
SG- Allen Iverson (Nuggets)
SF- Carmelo Anthony (Nuggets)
PF- Reggie Evans (76ers)
C- Lamar Odom (Lakers)

I know Odom isn't a center, but I'm asking you to give me a small break. There are merely six players in the NBA with the last name starting with "E". Ellis is obviously the best of them, and the rest are bench players. On top of that, Odom is very capable of performing like a center with his rebounding skills, post play, etc.

The Bandit said 04/23, 10:40 PM
Yeah I'll give you a break on Odom. i know it's hard to put such a lineup, so you can have that exception. No problem.

Alright, we are going to compare the SG, PF, and C even through we both have Odom but at a different position. Stats are based on LY, as stipulated in the TD.

SG:

Eliis:
20.2 PPG, 5 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.1 TOPG, 37.9 minPG

AI:
26.4 PPG, 3 RPG, 7.2 APG, 2 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 3 TOPG, 41.8 minPG

AI scores more pts and gives out more assists, but you have to consider he plays almost 4 more minutes PG. I give him a slight edge as a defender but on the down side he is also likely to turn the ball over more. As great as Iverson has been, Elllis has a chance to be a great player himself. He is young, and one of the bright spots for a talented Warriors team.
Eliis is a better REB, and has improved his #'s on pts as well as RPG every year since he's been in the league, so there's hope that he'll conitnue to develop.

PF:

Odom:
14.2 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 2 TOPG, 37.9 minpg

Evans:
5.3 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 0.8 APG, 1.1 SPG, 0.1 BPG, 1.3 TOPG, 23.2 minpg

Odom is more vital player to an O, has more minPG.

compare next.

gasol. said 04/23, 10:54 PM
Allen Iverson and Monta Ellis are very similar in certain categories. However, Iverson has the overall edge.

Iverson averages over three more assists and has half an edge in terms of steals. I would say rebounding could be contributed to his height, and that Camby averages over 13.

Now, Iverson has one unique ability. Not only is he a good defender, but he has the ability to draw fouls. I remember hearing it during the first game of their series with the Lakers, and it's true. He will draw fouls like nobody else. That's really a nice asset to have.

Now, I know we have Odom just in different positions, so it's hard to debate anything about him.

I'm not disputing Evans is a better player than Ilgauskas. Again, it just came down to the letter I had left, and I had to chose one of three or four E's I believe. Being I had to fill a specific position.

With that being said, Iverson has the edge over Ellis. Technically his scoring could technically help make up for the loss with Evans. If you were to hypothetically "give" Iverson's six to Evans - being Ellis averages about 20 - Evans would average around 11. That's only three less than Ilgauskas and the defense can make up for it.

The Bandit said 04/23, 11:26 PM
Ok, let's hypothetically compare the 2 different players we have on our lineup. disregarding Odom because despite us having him at a different positon on our lineup..his stats will nonetheless even out since we both have him.

You wanna hypothetically give Ai's 6 pts to Evans? Well, let just put the 2 players we have a difference, combine their stats, and see which duo contributes more to the team aspect.

AI and Evans( Combined Stats this season)

Pts. (26.4 + 5.3) = 31.7 PPG
Rebs ( 3 + 7.5) = 10.5 RPG
Assist ( 7.2 + 0.8)= 8 APG
Steals ( 2 + 1.1) = 3.1 SPG
Blocks ( 0.2 + 0.1) = 0.3 BPG
Turnovers ( 3 + 1.3 ) = 4.3 TO's pg
minutes (41.8 + 23.2) = 65 minutes total

Ellis and Ilgauskas (Combined Stats this season)

Pts ( 20.2 +14.1)= 34.3 PPG
Rebs ( 5 + 9.3)= 14.3 RPG
Assist ( 3.9 + 1.4 )= 5.3 APG
Steals (1.5 + 0.5)=2 SPG
Blocks ( 0.3 + 1.6)= 1.9 BPG
Turnovers (2.1 + 1.9)= 4 TO's pg
minutes ( 37.9 + 30.2)= 68.1 minutes total

As you can see, my lineup is a more efficient team collectively as a whole. AI stands out as the most prominent out of the 4 players , but
as a team, my 2 players contribute more PTS, Rebs,and Blocks despite with only 3 more min.

gasol. said 04/23, 11:40 PM
As said, I knew it would be just about a three-point difference.

Again, the defense of Iverson can make up, usually, for a three-point differential. Also, with his ability to draw fouls, he would be able to get others in foul trouble and force them to the bench. That's honestly a specialty Iverson has.

Now, I'd like to look at one more thing. There are always individuals who go above and beyond and act as if their the team's star.

Both Iverson and Anthony are quite capable of this for me.

Iverson had twenty-four games, that I count, in which he scored over 30. In ten of those games, he scored over 35. Throw a 51-point game in there as well.

Anthony has twenty games in which he scored over 30. In six of those he scored over 35. Anthony had 47-point and 49-point performances as well.

Those two are more capable of scoring 25 or 26 points per game; that's evident.

Then you have a good rebounder in Evans and a great rebounder in Odom. Let's not forget Odom is more than capable of even playing a small forward position; he shoots like a guard.

One other thing you can take into account is that Evans plays 7 less minutes, so his numbers would most likely increase.

Good throwdown.

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More difficult than I had believed.

gasol. | 04/23/08, 10:10 PM

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