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jumpman23 said 04/28, 05:08 PM
I say Derrick Harvey, drafted #8 by the Jaguars.

The Jaguars, unbelievably enough, traded UP to grab Harvey, so he must have been pretty high on their board. I like Harvey as a player, but he shouldnt be so high.

Harvey was a huge reach at #8. In college, he was inconsistent and disappeared from games...a lot. I thought of Harvey as a rock-solid first rounder, and a team that picked him in the mid first round would get great value. But in the top 10? No way.

Now Harve's expectations are much, much bigger than they would be if he was picked from the 10-18 range, for example. In my opinion, the Jags are spending a lot of money on a guy who may not end up ever getting 10 sacks in a season.

Harvey, like I said before, was inconsistent in college and that's pretty difficult to improve in the NFL. He's probably going to have to switch to linebacker, which is an extremely difficult position to adjust to. College linemen are very, very different from NFL linemen. They know how to block, and Harvey is gonna have some trouble with them...

I feel bad for the Jaguars, who are going to have to invest a ton of money into a guy who I thought is not top-10 material, by no means.

jumpman23 said 04/28, 05:40 PM
You made a good choice in Talib. However, I can counter this.

Talib was called by many as "the draft's most talented cornerback." Obviously, if he has been called so talented by so many, he's got a TON of raw talent, considering how deep this year's cornerback class was.

I have read about Harvey as well, and althought he might end up being okay in the long run, I have doubts that he won't make much of an impact in a few years.

Harvey will most likely switch to linebacker. He's got some talent, I think, but he was WAY too inconsistent in college for me to say he'll be a perennial Pro Bowler.

For example, he redshirted as a freshman. Fine with me, if it helps his development as a player. But he didn't break out until he's a redshirt sophomore. He has 11 sacks, including 3 in the BCS Championship.

If anything, Harvey should have entered the draft then, seeing his production. He had nothing to lose then.

But instead, he doesn't. His combine 40 time: 4.8. Now, that's pretty good for a DE, but seeing that most if not all NFL teams would switch him to OLB, that's not gonna cut it.

Harvey is really inconsistent as a pass rusher and that hurts him. He gets knockd down

jumpman23 said 04/28, 06:20 PM
The thing about Harvey is that he does not have great closing speed. That can really hurt him. Offensive linemen are going to be a lot different on the NFL level.

Yes, Harvey might have had a good showing against Michigan. But I'll show you some of his games from 07, from the beginning of the year:

Western Kentucky 2.0 sacks
Troy 0 sacks
#12 Tennessee 0 sacks

Now, Tennessee and Troy are no pushovers, but Tennessee's offensive line is not that special, as is Troy's. There's no excuse for beating up on less skilled opponents but not playing to your full talent against the big boys. Is he going to do this in the NFL? Probably, and it will take a while to adjust.

I love Talib as a player. He has great speed, agility, and ball skills. I also like his versatitlity as a returner. He also performed wonderfully in the Orange Bowl against Virginia Tech.

I also like how physical he can be in coverage and how he can reroute receivers at the line of scrimmage. He reminds me somewhat of Al Harris. He's also an above-average open field tackler for a corner.

I love how much upside Talib has. In the Tampa 2, he could be very successful with two good safties Harvey needs work.