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0x NBA/NFL Champion said 04/30, 02:36 PM
As much as I'd love to say Matt Ryan, I have to go with Darren McFadden.
First of all, we all saw what a talented rookie RB can do, as AD won Rookie of the Year last year. McFadden comes into a similar situation with a struggling team, a young QB, and not many offensive weapons. He can come in and play right away, and he is the type of player who can make a large impact right away.
Last year, he rushed for 1830 yards and 16 TD's. Yes, that was in college, but he was also splitting carries. He was the Heisman Trophy runner-up two years in a row, meaning that he was among the best two years in a row.
However, McFadden isn't just a runner. He can catch passes out of the backfield, he can throw, he can have an impact on special teams. He won't have success with all of these in the pros, but he has the potential to have a huge impact, and not just by taking the handoff. Last year, he had totals of 2117 yards, and 21 TD's. That is very impressive.
McFadden comes into a situation that allows him to showcase his talent. The Raiders are in need of someone who can get the job done, and McFadden has all the potential to be that man, and win Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Good luck, dyhard
Dyhard is off of school today said 04/30, 09:15 PM
Good luck 0x...
I'm going to go ahead and say Matt Ryan.
First of all, McFadden is not even close to AD talent. He just doesn't have the talent that AD has. McFadden is in Oakland, and he has the possibility of holding out to get money (Russell) and they have other RB to use too (LaMont Jordon, Fargas, and Michael Bush). They aren't going to use McFadden all the time. They are going to switch off using the RB, which will hurt McFadden's stats.
In college, when you are spliting carries, that is easier to get better stats. Now, in the NFL, it is going to be harder, especially being a rookie, and not really knowing the league that well.
He might be able to catch balls, but Matt Ryan is going to be able to throw them. He is going to be very good, plus he doesn't have bad WR, or RB either. (Jenkins, Horn, White, Turner, Norwood).
4507 yards
31 TDs
19 INT
59.3 completion %
He did impressive last year for Boston College. He is a good player, and he will do good this year too.
The Falcons need this guy for a QB to show the league that they have a good QB, and their offense doens't suck. The signing of Turner will help out the team too.
Ryan is the Off. ROY.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 04/30, 10:40 PM
McFadden might not be the runner that AD is, but he can do things that AD can't do. Plus, its not like McFadden is a slouch. He is a great back, and he is still a very good runner, not on the level of AD, but still good.
As for sharing carries, it happened last year with AD and Chester Taylor. They split almost the entire season, but AD still managed to win ROY, so why can't McFadden do the same thing this year?
When I look at Matt Ryan, the thing that jumps out at me is th INT's. Throwing 19 INT's in college isn't terrible, but that is more than an average of one a game. And pro DB's are much better than college ones, so with more games, that could easily turn into 25 INT's, something that wouldn't help him.
Here are the stats from the QB's and RB's from the first round of the 2007 NFL Draft.
Adrian Peterson- 238 attempts, 1341 yards, 12 TD's
Marshawn Lynch- 280 attempts, 1175 yards, 7 TD's
JaMarcus Russell- 373 yards, 2 TD's, 4 INT's, 55.9 rating
Brady Quinn- 45 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 58.8 rating
As you can see, based on last year's stats, it is far easier to have an impact as a RB than a QB, and it is not even determined whether Ryan will start right away.
Dyhard is off of school today said 05/01, 07:50 AM
He is a good runner, but not the level AD is on. Plus, he isn't going to get the Offensive Rookie of the Year because he will be sharing carries with the other backs in Oakland. I don't see him doing things that AD does. He just isn't that good. He is good, but not that good.
AD and Taylor had a great offensive line. Plus, McFadden doesn't have the talent that AD has. McFadden has talent, but not Peterson's talent.
It doesn't seem like he is going to be throwing 20+ INT in the NFL. He is good enough to throw less than he did in college, but he also had 31 TDs in college. That is well over 1 a game. He could keep that the same, maybe even raise it. It might go down, but not a lot.
You can't compare Peterson and Lynch to Russell and Quinn. Peterson and Lynch actually played a lot, Russell was overweight, held-out over half the season, and wasn't good. Quinn didn't play because was never really given the chance to.
Why wouldn't Ryan start right away? Who would they use? Joey Harrington? He isn't good at all. If they wanna win, they aren't going to use Harrington, or Redman. They will have to use Ryan or they just won't win very many games, plain and simple.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 05/01, 08:14 PM
Taylor had 157 carries last year, which is probably more than any of the other RB's on the Raiders will get. The Raiders have been bad for the last few years, and they know that McFadden is one of the keys to the future of the franchise. McFadden will get carries right away, and he has enough talent to make something out of it.
AD is better than McFadden, but I would say that McFadden is better than Lynch, who still managed 1100+ yards and 7 TD's in only 13 games. If Lynch was able to do that as a rookie, why can't McFadden do the same thing this year?
As for the comparing, I wasn't comparing players. I was showing that it is far easier to come in and have an impact as a RB than as a QB. Based on what happened last year, McFadden will get a lot of playing time, which would help his case for ROY.
I could easily see Ryan throwing 20+ INT's in the NFL. INT's are far easer to throw in the NFL than NCAA, making totals go up. TD's are harder in the NFL, so his stats could easily go down. He could have an ugly rookie year adjusting to the NFL.
Ryan might not start, nearly all 1st round QB's are eased in, including all of the QB's from 07, 2 of 3 from 06, all from 05, and all from 04.
Dyhard is off of school today said 05/02, 05:06 PM
McFadden isn't going to get a ton of carries. He is most likely going to go with a 3 RB system, where they switch off with Jordon, and Fargus, and Bush is going to get some carries too. McFadden isn't going to get a lot of carries.
He has talent, but he isn't winning the Offensive ROY award.
Matt Ryan is going to get about all the throws, and he will lead the Falcons to a better record. Ryan is a good young QB, and he is going to lead his team more than McFadden will.
McFadden is better than Lynch, but Lynch, when he played, got most of the carries. McFadden isn't going to get most of the carries. He will get about 1/3 or 1/2 of the carries. They have other RB that they will use.
You can't go off of last year and say it is easier, when one of the QBs held out over half the year and the other one barely played. McFadden has other RB on his team that will get a lot of carries.
Ryan throwing 10+ INT's is more likely than 20+ INTs. INT's might be easier to throw in the NFL than the NCAA, but I don't think that he will throw that many this year. The TD total will go down,
Ryan is most likely going to start. Why would Harrington or Redman start?
Ryan=Off. ROY
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It won't be either of them. I think a WR will get the award this year or maybe Stewart with Carolina. Peterson had a better line to work behind last year than McFadden will have in Oakland. Also he will struggle to get to start right away when Fargas will be first on the depth chart. Ryan doesn't stand a chance at winning it because his numbers will not be great. Remember Manning's numbers his first year (28 ints). But more importantly than that even if his numbers are decent he would have to lead his team to a complete turnaround like VY two years ago which won't happen with the state of the Falcons right now.
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Haha As soon as I saw this TD I KNEW Goodell would be in here pleading his case for Hardy!!
I would like a side bet with you on this Hardy thing...
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And for the record...even if he gets 90% of the red zone looks...that's only 9 looks when you play in the Bill's offense! haha
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Good throwdown 0x...
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Cmon guys.... The Raiders already said that Mcfadden wont get more then 8-10 touches per game. How can he get ROY with only 8 touches per?
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Cmon guys.... The Raiders already said that Mcfadden wont get more then 8-10 touches per game. How can he get ROY with only 8 touches per?
Goodell: Friggin Sweet | 05/02/08, 05:36 PM
I believe when last year began the Vikings did everything in their power to limit AD's carries, but they realized he had too much talent to not be on the field more. Not saying that is what will happen with McFadden but if with those 8 to 10 carries he does great things every week, you can bet your____ that he will get more.
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Vote left, sorry dyhard but QB's rarely win this award for a reason. QB is the hardest position to play as a rookie and even when given the chance, he will make too many mistakes. He is no Peyton manning and even manning threw 28 picks as a rookie.
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Wow, I cant believe you both picked two guys who are def. not gonna be ROY. shoulda got this TD.
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It was for a tournament, and out of curiosity, who do you think will win?
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Wow, I cant believe you both picked two guys who are def. not gonna be ROY. shoulda got this TD.
DCsunDfour21 | 05/02/08, 08:19 PM
Wow, look at Nostradamus, I guess you picked the Giants in the preseason last year.
Their is no conceivable way to say D Mac will def. not win ROY.
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Wow, I cant believe you both picked two guys who are def. not gonna be ROY. shoulda got this TD.
DCsunDfour21 | 05/02/08, 08:19 PM
You seem pretty confident that Darren McFadden and Matt Ryan have NO chance. Who would you say then?
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