Awards for AL west
Kendrick fan#1 said 05/02, 09:05 PM
Pick first argue second and third
MVP- Casey Ktchman
Cy Young- Ervin Santana
Gold Gloves
1B- Casey Kotchman
2B- Mark Ellis
SS- Yuinesky Betancourt
3B- Chone Figgins
LF- Gary Mathews JR.
CF- Tori Hunter
RF- David Murphy
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 05/02, 09:42 PM
These aren't the obvious picks, so please give me a chance to argue. Since I don't know about P or C, here are my differences:
MVP- Josh Hamilton- Rangers
Cy Young- Joe Saunders- Angels
SS- Michael Young- Rangers
LF- Garret Anderson- Angels
CF- Ichiro Suzuki- Mariners
I have seen Torii play for years, and although it is hard to say, at this time, I have to go with Ichrio.
Kendrick fan#1 said 05/03, 05:53 PM
Kotchan Vs. Hamilton
Kotchman Hamilton
AVG- .337 .311
HR- 6 6
RBI- 20 32
OBP- .395 .360
SLG- .567 .557
OPS- .962 .917
K's- 7 15
RISP- .435 .289
Well Kotchman wins in every category but 1 and is tied for homeruns. And Kotchman is a much better clutch hitter evident by him hitting above .400, while Hamilton is hitting below .300. Also the positioning of the teams plays a part while the Angels are sitting on top of the Division the Rangers are living in the Cellar.
Santana Vs. Saunders
Santana Saunders
Wins- 5-0 5-0
K's- 29 20
ERA- 2.48 2.08
AVG- .207 .204
Whip- .98 .95
Equivilant in almost everything. Both are well ahead of the other won in 1 category each.
You can't really go wrong with either. Draw
Will argue other differences in my next argument.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 05/03, 07:28 PM
Kotchman and Hamilton are close in many categories, but Hamilton kills him in RBI's. Typically, a valuable player is someone who carries the team, and Hamilton has really carried the Rangers. Not only does he lead the league in RBI's, but he was named AL Player of the Month.
Santana has played great so far, but Saunders has played a little better. In more innings, Saunders has allowed less runs, less earned runs, has a lower BAA, a lower WHIP, and a far lower ERA of just 2.08. A 2.48 ERA is very good, but a 2.08 is far better. As for the strikeouts, Saunders is not a strikeout pitcher while Santana is, so the fact he doesn't have as many K's should not be held against him so much.
As for Gold Gloves, Young has more assists, has turned more double plays, has committed less errors, has a higher zone rating, a higher RF, and has a far better fielding percentage.
Anderson has more assists, more put outs, a higher zone rating, and a higher RF.
Ichiro has far more put outs, more assists, a higher RF, and a much higher zone rating.
Kendrick fan#1 said 05/03, 07:39 PM
Hamilton plays for a team in last place name 1 player who won MVP for a team in last place.
There aren't really stats that show how good of a fielder a player is.
Betancourt is much more dynamic and has way better range than Young. In arm strength Young is at a major disadvantage. Also Betancourt has much better reaction time than Young.
I laughed when you put Anderson over Mathews. Mathews is a way way way better fielder. Gary is athletic fast and has a great arm. Anderson has become more of a DH and was never a great LF.
Hunter is easily better than Ichiro. Hunter has even stolen a HR already this year and it was almost the game winner. Hunter is much better at judging the ball off the bat and rarely makes a mistake.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 05/03, 07:59 PM
Alex Rodriguez, and I think Andre Dawson won one too. We are one month into the season, and the Rangers are six games back. In two weeks, the Rangers could get hot and be in first place, so I don't think six games back qualifies as "living in the cellar".
"There aren't really stats that show how good of a fielder a player is."
Yes, there are. They are called fielding % zone rating, and errors, among others. They help determine the best fielders.
Player 1- 83 assists, 3 errors, 24 double plays, .976 fielding percentage, 4.73 RF, .839 zone rating
Player 2- 74 assists, 5 errors, 19 double plays, .960 fielding percentage, 4.27 RF, .835 zone rating
I would choose player 1, wouldn't you? Player one is Young, player 2 is Betancourt. If Betancourt has "way better range", why does he have a lower zone rating?
Anderson has played more LF this year. We aren't talking about better career fielder, we are comparing the Gold Glove possibilities for this year.
Player 1- 140 innings, 35 put outs, 2.25 RF, .944 zone rating
Player 2- 116 innings, 19 put outs, 1.55 RF, .826 zone rating
Anderson is player 1, and as you can see, he has a much better ZR.
Ichiro has won 7 straight Gold Gloves.
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Comments (23)
Damn it, I am missing them all!
DetroitFan* BS: Haha Harris! | 05/02/08, 09:12 PM
Report Offensive CommentGood luck
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/02/08, 09:32 PM
Report Offensive CommentYou too.
0x NBA/NFL Champion | 05/02/08, 09:44 PM
Report Offensive CommentI'll have to wait for arguments. One of you send it to me on a fanmail when all the arguments are done.
DYHARD SI DOUG HEFERNAN | 05/02/08, 10:17 PM
Report Offensive CommentWow i still can't believe that he thinks Anderson is a better fielder than Matthews Jr. I wonder if he even knows who the players are. And The Rangers are horrible you actually think they have a chance. Hamilton is nowhere near as good as A-Rod is. Please don't think that any of the stats you mentioned for fielding matter at all Young is not a good fielder the only good fielder you named was Ichiro.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/03/08, 08:05 PM
Report Offensive CommentI gotta vote right. Just because the Rangers are currently in last place, it does not mean they will be there by season's end. Nonetheless, better arguments by 0x.
The Bandit | 05/03/08, 08:06 PM
Report Offensive CommentI didn't say Hamilton was as good as A-Rod. You said to name someone who had won an MVP in last place, so I did.
0x NBA/NFL Champion | 05/03/08, 08:07 PM
Report Offensive CommentNo Jim Thome? I'm surprised. He's beast this season
Mets Fan: is on vacation | 05/03/08, 08:08 PM
Report Offensive CommentErvin Santana in front Chen-Mang Wang and Roy Halladay?
Mets Fan: is on vacation | 05/03/08, 08:10 PM
Report Offensive CommentJim Thome plays on the White Sox, who play in the AL Central.
0x NBA/NFL Champion | 05/03/08, 08:10 PM
Report Offensive CommentHaha, it's the AL West.
0x NBA/NFL Champion | 05/03/08, 08:10 PM
Report Offensive CommentVote <------------- 0x NBA/NFL Champion is an idiot. Anderson is not a good fielder.
LT will win mvp | 05/03/08, 08:13 PM
Report Offensive CommentWouldn't say he's an Idiot but he hasn't seen an AL west game in a while.
so cal 4life | 05/03/08, 08:15 PM
Report Offensive CommentVote to 0x because he has the better arguments.
DYHARD SI DOUG HEFERNAN | 05/03/08, 08:15 PM
Report Offensive CommentLT, I don't think that 0x is an idiot....
DYHARD SI DOUG HEFERNAN | 05/03/08, 08:15 PM
Report Offensive CommentVote <---------- Anderson is a horrible fielder. And Young was a bad pick no range. You can't judge fielding by stats you have to look at the players physical attributes.
Jamba | 05/03/08, 08:18 PM
Report Offensive CommentVote <---------- Anderson is a horrible fielder. And Young was a bad pick no range. You can't judge fielding by stats you have to look at the players physical attributes.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/03/08, 08:18 PM
Report Offensive CommentI love how everyone reads arguments.
0x NBA/NFL Champion | 05/03/08, 08:20 PM
Report Offensive Comment"You can't judge fielding by stats"
Seriously? Yes you can!
0x NBA/NFL Champion | 05/03/08, 08:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentVote <---------- Anderson is a horrible fielder. And Young was a bad pick no range. You can't judge fielding by stats you have to look at the players physical attributes.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/03/08, 08:18 PM
sorry forgot to type my response to it. I totally agree with what he said.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/03/08, 08:23 PM
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