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WTP Tournament Final (Take 3) - What has been the reason for the Brewers' recent struggles?


On a 3-game winning streak and back over .500, it would appear that things are turning around for the Milwaukee Brewers. A talented young squad which has shown vast improvement the past several seasons, the Brewers have failed to capitalize on that promise in the underrated NL Central. The question begs to be asked: WHY have the Brewers not been winning more games?

Their batting numbers are down from last season. But the bats are turning around, as evidenced in this latest winning streak. The team's fielding numbers are great, with the Brewers in the top-ten in most team fielding categories...

So this leaves THE reason for Milwaukee's struggles firmly planted in the hands of the pitching staff. As a team, they are allowing .28 more earned runs a game than the NL average, good for 24th in the majors. Opponents have a .269 BA against the pitching staff, also in the bottom third of the majors. Relying on such unstable pitchers as Eric Gagne, Derrick Turnbow & Dave Bush, neither the starters nor the closers can consistently get the job done. Their best young threat, Yovani Gallardo, is out for the year with an ACL injury.

Pitching is the reason behind the Brewers' recent struggles.


I say hitting is the biggest reason for the Brewers recent struggles.

If you look at the Brewers hitting squad, there have been problems with Rickie Weeks and Bill Hall. They have very bad batting averages.

Rickie Weeks-.190
Bill Hall-.200

The Brewers have a .243 BA as a team, and rank 14th in the NL. The Brewers are 13th in on-base-percentage with an OBP of .318.

There have been a couple of things that have been going good for the Brewers' pitching, and that is that they rank 2nd in the NL in saves, with 15, and have 17 quality starts this year already.

The only thing in the batting category that they rank in the top 10 in the NL is SB, and that is in the tenth position. The Brewers are in the top 10 in the NL in two categories for the pitching, and are 2nd, and 7th in the two top 10 categories.

The Brewers have solved the problem of Derrick Turnbow by sending him to Nashville (AAA) and that has helped out the Brewers very well.

The fielding is the one thing that has been going well for the Brewers. I agree that the pitching is horrible, but the hitting has been worse this year.

Hitting is the reason behind the Brewers' recent struggles.


If tonight's game -- a 6-4 loss when Milwaukee had been given a great chance heading up 4-1 in the 7th but blew a save WITHOUT Turnbow or Gagne to foul things up -- isn't a clear indication of where the preeminent reason for the Brewers' struggles lie, well...

Milwaukee's hitters have been streaky to begin the season, but it is apparent that the power is still there underneath the dust of winter. The pitching staff, on the other hand, is in complete disarray. The Brewers "solved" Derrick Turnbow by sending him to the minors?! That's the same thing they did with Dave Bush... until another body hit the deck with an injury & they had to drag him back to the bigs...

The Brewers have the talent in the field and at the plate to contend for the National League. But the staff on the mound does not match the talent level. Sending the "talent" which has been brought in on the pitching budget to AAA is hardly "solving the problem"...

As the recent win streak snapped tonight shows, the batters are doing something... & while the bullpen has 15 saves, they also have blown 7! Failing with a lead 33% of the time is a sign of grave problems on the mound... because the batters ARE getting leads.


The Brewers aren't in the top 10 in any batting category in the entire MLB, but they are in at least one, saves, for pitching. So you are saying that the Brewers are really struggling because of pitching? Yes, pitching is horrible, but the batting is worse.

Did you not see Bill Hall and Rickie Weeks batting average? Do you know that they are STILL in the lineup, and aren't being removed. A big problem is Ned Yost too. It is mostly the hitting, then pitching and Ned Yost.

The Brewers are 24th in team ERA in the MLB, and are 26th in the MLB in BA. They don't get hits very much, and with that you can't score many runs.

The Brewers are 19th in runs scored in the MLB, and 19th in runs allowed in the MLB. They aren't scoring more runs then they allow, and that is a big problem.

They have scored 177 runs this season, but have allowed 198, which is 21 MORE runs that they allow than they score. You can't win games if you can't score, and the Brewers are really showing it this year.

You can say all you want about the pitching staff allowing 198 runs total this season, but if you can't score, you can't win. Simple as that.

The biggest problem is hitting for the Brewers.


The funny thing is that both Weeks and Hall are right on pace in other statistical categories, dyhard... both are at or near last year's numbers in RBI, hits, HR... and they HAVE shown the ability throughout their careers, they ARE talents.

Players like Turnbow and Bush, on the other hand, have never been anything but mediocre. Bush had two near-.500 seasons in 2006 & 2007. Turnbow had one season as an effective closer in 2005. Bush's ERA does nothing but go up & up... and Turnbow can't get his erratic control in line. Both Bush & Turnbow have cleared waivers this season... do you really think either Weeks or Hall would go unclaimed by another MLB franchise in need of good young infield help?

The Brewers have consistently built four- and five-run leads for the pitchers this season, only to see late rallies by their opponents leave them buried in the middle of the NL Central. Sure, the hitters have been slumping... but the pitchers are either dropping like flies (see: Gallardo, Yovani), blowing leads (see: bullpen) or getting sent to the minors (see: Turnbow, Derrick and Bush, Dave). No starter save Sheets has won a game since April 5.

Pitching is KILLING the Brewers' season...


Weeks and Hall don't get many hits, and their batting averages are horrible. Prince Fielder is lacking too. He has totals of: .255 BA, 5 HR, and 23 RBI. He is lacking in HR, and hits a HR every 8 games. He is on pace to hit just a little over 20 HR this year. That is not good. He is low in production.

Why do you continue to talk about Derrick Turnbow? He isn't effecting the team right now. I don't know how he can if he is playing in Nashville (Brewers AAA affiliate).

Bush isn't a good pitcher, but he isn't killing the entire pitching staff. As I posted in my last argument, the Brewers are 24th in the MLB in team ERA, while they are 26th in the MLB in team BA.

Turnbow, pitching in Nashville, doesn't have an effect on the MILWAUKEE Brewers...he has an effect on Nashville, but not Milwaukee.

Hall and Weeks help the infield, but they don't help hitting much. They have horrible BA, and that is one thing that is going to hurt your team. If you can't hit, you can't score runs, simple as that.

There have been plenty of games where the Brewers don't score ENOUGH runs, and get beat. They are allowing 21 runs more than what they score. That isn't good.

Hitting's da caus

they seem to be doing good, now, whatever it was they corrected it. they look to be on their way to a 4 game streak....

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I was talking about their poor performances in Florida and Houston. Now against the Dodgers, they will probably win the series if Mota can come through and get the save.

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I would say they have been struggling because their opponents have been scoring more points

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Alfalfa, it is RUNS, not points.

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Dyhard...just wow. Who gives a crap if they're second in the NL in saves? Thats a meaningless stat! They've got at least 6 blown saves this season already(though they did end up winning a few of those I think)! When you give up that many runs, its pretty friggin hard to match it hitting.
Ned Yost, who I have an up and down view of, is ABSOLUTELY NOT the cause of their problems. How is he supposed to make them hit better? No, its more Doug Melvin for stocking up as sihtty a bullpen as you can buy. Besides the fact that the starters stink too. Yeah, let's remove Bill Hall, our starting 3rd baseman with 9 homeruns. Who you going to start, Craig Counsell??? I agree Weeks can't hit for crap, but he should still be starting, albeit it batting at the bottom of the order.
How the heck has the absence of Turnbow made them better? The rest of the bullpen is still weak. Yeah, they havn't been hitting, but without the blown saves, they would be at least 3 games better than they are right now.
You cite a bunch of meaningless stats that prove absolutely nothing.

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Pitching and defense win games

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Close td.Very good.Vote to bigalke

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Wow, your argument continues to make no sense. You keep bringing up pitching and the horrible stats, yet you say hitting is the cause. Make up your mind.

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Being two rankings lower in one batting category than they are in one pitching category hardly indicates where the real problem lies with this team... that's all I have to say on the matter for now down here...

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I love that he hasn't had anything to say in response...

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