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MadMax is..awesome at pingpong said 05/26, 04:39 PM
With the growing hatred and utter grossness that flopping has become in the NBA, I think it is time for the league to actually and seriously think about a way to stop this. It has mainly grown in volume due to the influx of Euro players who learn this tactic playing soccer. I think that if they made a rule similar to a dive penalty in hockey, the flow of the game would open up, and therefore make for a less critisizable game.
Steveo16220 is a GGTK said 05/26, 05:20 PM
While flopping looks to be the latest trend in the nba, it has been around for a while...more and more players are growing accustom to adding an extra oomphh into a foul...But in the end, regardless of how bad a player flops around there is a a foul that is committed....and the refs recognize what is a foul and what isn't..and do a pretty good job at it as well
Now lemme ask you this? should there be a rule implemented when a players argues who's ball it is when it goes out of bounds?.....3/4 of the time, everyone knows who's ball it is yet people want to cry and whine and try and persuade the ref to give them the ball....same thing a player does when he flops...he is trying to sell the call to the ref
Now it would be difficult for refs to make the right call in ALL the situations...as it stands know, it is pretty obvious when a player flops and ref realize this...and if refs don't give a call to them...so a player can flop around and look like a fool and get no call and then lose the edge on defense
If you want to make the game more smooth/"open the flow" this rule would cause for a foul or tech and slow the game down.No call on a flop makes the pace continue, and not slow it down
MadMax is..awesome at pingpong said 05/26, 06:14 PM
The out of bouds thing is different. Shots aren't rewarded and most of the time, ie: 95%, the refs get it right.
What I am saying is when a defender flops, the ref should have the ability to call a flop. Nowadays if a guy gets even the slightest of contact, all he has to do is hit the floor and it is an offensive foul call. It is bad for the game. And to say flopping has been going on for a while is a huge overstatement. Go watch the 1987 Lakers Celtics finals. You can count the flops on 1 hand. Seriously. Those guys were hard nosed, and took pride out of taking big bumps and not budging. It was similar in 60's and 70's NHL hockey. Then there was this influx of softer European players, primarily little scorers who couldn't play defense, do they would dive and get calls as a form of defense. Until the NHL implicated a diving rule. I think the same could be done in the NBA. Sure the first 20 games of it's first season may be a little annoying, but we won't have to deal with the crap we see on a nightly basis from EVERY team now. I swear, I saw Ilgauskus fall to the floor when he was bumped by Sam Cassell a week and a half ago. Ilgauskus is 7'3'', 280lb. Something has to be done.
Steveo16220 is a GGTK said 05/26, 11:26 PM
"Nowadays if a guy gets even the slightest of contact, all he has to do is hit the floor and it is an offensive foul call"
False, they still need to be planted and the offensive player must show no control of his body to get the call...
95% of the time with flops ref get the right call....it has been going on for a while now..bill lambeer was infamous for this...granted the 80's held alot of hard nose players...there was flopping going on...
Its a worthless cause...as it is now, the refs are VERY aware of who's flopping and who's not...they know who to give the calls to and who not...it wont be annoying for the first 20 games or so...it will be annoying from here on out...It wills top the game for unnecessary calls...
Another point is...the object of the game is to win...and players will try to get every advantage possible to win..and good on them...why take away for trying to win? trying to get calls...i mean as it stands now, refs are going to miss calls...why not try and make one up with a little acting? Like i mentioned before it takes a foul for someone to make a flop...so there is a reason they are flopping...refs do a good job as it is to call and not to call...
Steveo16220 is a GGTK said 05/28, 12:20 AM
? ok do you have nothing more to say? becasue i know i have seen you on here in the last 24 hours....so i guess you just don't care..
Making a rule against flops would be a great disadvantage for the opposite team....
it would take away from a teams ability to run on a break becasue a foul would be called...
2 it would slow the game down...not speed it up...taking time to shoot a tech becasue someone "flopped"....
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as it is now...if someone flops...there is already contact to get them to "flop"...so with contact being made there is already a foul that has occurred.
The "flop is made to encourage the ref to make the call...you don't see player falling around on the floor when NO CONTACT was made with them do you? No... they do it when there is minimal contact and they want to persuade the ref to give them the call...i.e. a foul was made, they just want to sell the foul to the ref....nothing illegal about it...and i encourage it...do what you can to get a win...
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If it weren't for flopping, San Antonio would have won the last couple of Rings they have.
ChicksDigMe
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There is a flopping foul...it's just called a blocking foul?
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going to golf.....get at this later
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I'm so jealous!
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A blocking foul is when an unset defender impedes the dribbling lane of an offensive ball handler. In this case, a flopping foul would be called as a technical, similar to hanging on the rim, 3 sec, etc.
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The refs need the ability to call the flop...if thye blatantly see a guy flop, they can't do anything about it.
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why should anything be done about it? if he flops and the refs knows it, then he is at a disadvantage by being out of the play
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I have to agree i hate flopping, its stupid and the refs dont always get it right because of that
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Manu gonobli is the worst, someone breathes on him and he throws his body to the floor
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there nothing illegal about that...and why shouyld there be? if a ref doesn't see a foul within the play then the guy who is flopping is on the ground and the other team is at an advantage....
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wow voted at the same time....weird...
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Vlade Divac would have never made the NBA if there was a flopping rule. LOL
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Ugh.
I 100% AGREE that flopping in the NBA should be a foul. I also desperately wish the refs would call traveling once in a goddamwhile.
But since steveo made 3 arguments, I have to go right.
Porkins
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"But in the end, regardless of how bad a player flops around there is a a foul that is"
I have to disagree with this statement. Just recently I watched the Pistons Rip Hamilton grab the arm of a Celtic player, hold it against his chest and flop to the court as if he had been swept aside and got a bogus offensive foul for it! Things like that happen all the time and it gets rediculous after awhile!
[The] Coach
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Yes they need to do something. But they need to do something about the refs too. They call it one way for one team, and not for the other. Or they call it one way for a player and not for another. It's just stupid.
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There's one in soccer. Why not one in the NBA, where the flopping is worse.
IrishR#1
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better arguments from the right, so my vote goes there
by the way, how si the guy on the left winning?
gonets
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Better arguments on the right. I don't watch much basketball, but I do agree that adding another foul could possibly slow down the game. Basketball just isn't meant to be a stop-and-go sport like football. Part of a some teams' "edge" is its endurance and ability to outrun its opponent.
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