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Good luck John and welcome to Fannation.

Thanks Cassidy. At the end let me know how I did and if you don't mind I'd appreciate some tips for the future.
PS: GO PENGUINS

i like both, and i see alot of moves that could be made to accommodate either player...arguments thus far im leaning towards cass...

I'm saying they already have one of the better PGs in the East with a good backup as it is. So take Beasley to fill the PF void and trade away Gooden and/or Thomas and make the Bulls a deeper team.

Favre Fan I'll tell you right now what you need to do. Break up your arguments into paragraphs. It's a tough read on here when your entire argument isn't broken up at all.

Here were the top 21 PG numbers for points per game for the NBA this year:

Baron Davis 21.8
Chris Paul 21.1
Deron Williams 18.8
Andre Miller 17.1
Chauncy Billips 17.0
Steve Nash 16.9
Rafer Alston 13.1
Derek Fisher 11.7
Jose Calderon 11.2
Jason Kidd 10.8
Earl Watson 10.7
Jarett Jack 9.9
Roger Mason 9.1
Steve Blake 8.5
Antonio Daniels 8.4
Janero Pargo 8.1
Keyon Dooling 8.1
Anthony Carter 7.8
Bobby Jackson 7.7
Brevin Knight 4.6
Jacque Vaughn 4.1

Do you see any Hinrich or Bulls PGs up there? Me neither. Kind of sad that the Hornets and Rockets have TWO PGs up there and the Bulls have none.Thats a problem area for the Bulls that needs to be addressed asap and Rose is sitting there for the taking.

You're trying to tell me that Jacque Vaugh averaged more than Hinrich this year? And that Hinrich didn't even average 4.1 ppg? Weird...go to NBA.com and check out his stats...he'd be between Calderon and Fisher at 11.5 ppg andddddd 6 apg.

And Duhon averaged 5.8 ppg and 4.0 apg.... not bad considering he only averaged 22 minutes a game. So the Bulls have 2 on there too. So PG is not a problem area for them.

The stats I am using dont even have Hinrich as a true PG, just a generic guard. See here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=G&conferenc e=NBA&year=season_2007

When you look at stats for point guards, Hinrich wasnt worthy of the title apparently.

Do the same thing for forwards...You'll find the Bulls backup small forward scores more than the starting power forward. If you look at the top 50 forwards by PPG the only Bulls power forward on there barely cracks the list at No. 50 with 12 ppg (Gooden). Power forward is clearly the problem position.

This is my list of players listed as point guards:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=PG&conferen ce=NBA&year=season_2007

It's got nothing to do with worthy...it has to do with their rotation having Duhon, Hughes, Gordon, and Hinrich all clocking more than 20 mpg so they have many different backcourt combos. He sometimes comes in at the SG position too. Hence the Guard label...not just PG. He's not just reliable but versatile.

My point is Hinrich doesnt and will never have the potential of a guy like Rose who is there for the taking. The time is now for the Bulls to lock up their long-term PG.

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox.....thanks for the tip that will definetely by helpful in the future

Good night John. Will finish this tomorrow morning west coast time.

Why take Rose when you have a more than capable starter and solid back-up? They have two options at the position already. PF is the problem for them and getting Beasley would increase Hinrich and Duhon's assists and take pressure off of Deng and Gordon (the other main scoring threats) and Noah (the other guy in the paint). Beasley and Noah would be a great combo down low for years to come. With Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Beasley, Noah starting and Nocioni, Hughes, Duhon, and whoever they get for Gooden&Thomas coming off the bench, the Bulls will be guaranteed a playoff spot in 08-09.

Both arguments have compelling points, but also things I disagree with. Dorsey to me is definitely not what I would call a low post presence. Didn't they try that one with Ben Wallace, a similar player (low scoring, monster defense)? And I don't think you can use PG ppg with Hinrich as an example if you aren't going to call him a PG.

I would bench Thomas before Gordon and Deng. And Gordon would be useful as a 6th man, which is what he is known for anyway.

Tough call. Gonna have to think about it. Didn't Hinrich sign a contract recently?

i probably wont be up til noon your time since its 3am right now in jersey. night cassidy.

Having a low post player will open Hinrich/Gordon/Deng to light it up from the outside. Adding Derrick Rose would simply make them a slightly version of last years team. Even if Rose is another Chris Paul, he has low post players to dish it to on the drive, and open up the outside shots. Without a post presence, Rose will have to rely to much on a jump shot, which needs improvement. Beasley also brings them a big rebounder. Noah will be solid, but other then that who do they have to grab those rebounds? In my opinion Beasely has to be the pick here. I mean he put up better overall numbers then Durant, and you can't tell me Durant would npt be the hands down best player in this draft. It may not be the popular pick, because Rose is the hometown guy, but you gotta choose the piece that will fit best with your current roster, as making all kinds of trades with throw off chemistry.

Pick Rose and trade Hinrich for that low post scorer. It kind of makes sense. Vote for Cass.