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lakers#1 says ROLL TIDE! said 05/28, 02:08 PM
C-Johnny Bench
1B- Lou Gehrig
2B- Rogers Hornsby
3B- Mike Schmidt
SS-Honus Wagner
OF-Babe Ruth
OF-Hank Aaron
OF-Ted Williams
DH-Frank Thomas
Starting Pitchers
Nolan Ryan
Walter Johnson
Warren Spahn
Greg Maddux
Cy Young
Closer
Dennis Eckersly
Closer
*LSU* is back said 05/28, 03:04 PM
C- *Yogi Berra, 358 Homers, 15 All-Star Games Three-time MVP (1951, '54, '55)
1B- Lou Gehrig, .340 AVG., 493 Homers, 1,995 RBIS
Two-Time MVP (1927, '36)
2B- Rogers Hornsby, 358 AVG., Hit .400 Three Times
Two-time Triple Crown winner (1922, '25)
3B- Mike Schmidt, 548 Homers, 10 Gold Gloves
Three-time MVP (1980, '81, '86)
SS-Honus Wagner, 3,420 Hits, 723 Steals, But I think that A-Rod will be here when he retires.
OF-Babe Ruth, .342 AVG., 714 Homers (3rd all-time)
OF-Hank Aaron 755 Homers (second all-time), 3,771 Hits
1957 MVP .
OF-*Willie Mays, 660 Homers, 12 Golden Gloves Two-time MVP (1954, '65)
DH- *Barry Bonds, All-time HR leader
Starting Pitchers
Nolan Ryan, all-time MLB leader in strike outs
Walter Johnson, 417 Wins, 3,509 Strikeouts
Won 20 games 12 times, 30 games twice
Warren Spahn, 363 WINS, 20-Game winner 13 Times
Most wins by a lefty, 1957 Cy Young Award
Roger Clemens*, 348 Wins, 4,604 Strikeouts
Seven Cy Youngs (1986, '87, '91, '97, '98, '01, '04)
Cy Young, Cy Young, PITCHER
511 Wins, 30-Game Winner Five Times, Winningest pitcher in baseball history .
Close- Dennis Eckersly not enough room for his stats
lakers#1 says ROLL TIDE! said 05/28, 03:59 PM
so we have Bench Vs. Berra, Mays Vs. Williams, Thomas Vs. Bonds, Clemens Vs. Maddux so thats 2 per argument. Here we go to start off.
Johnny Bench Vs Yogi Berra
Bench HR-389 .267 BA
Berra- HR- 358 .285 BA
Bench hit more home runs than Berra, Berra had a higher batting average though. Bench was a 2 time MVP (70,72) he was also the 1976 World Series MVP. Ted Williams in 1968 wrote on a baseball to Johnny Bench during spring training "Johnny Bench a hall of famer for sure." That coming from the great Ted Williams. In 17 years Bench was a 14 time all star, that is amazing.
Ted Williams Vs. Willie Mays
Williams- .344 BA 521 HR
Mays- .302 BA 660 HR
Williams also had three seasons where he batted over .400 a feat that Willie Mays never accomplished and the closest he got was .347. Williams was also a two time MVP (46,49). He was also a 6 time batting champion. Williams is one of the best hitters of all time, Mays hit more home runs but Williams was a better hitter.
Thomas Vs. Bonds and Clemens Vs. Maddux in next argument
*LSU* is back said 05/29, 12:48 PM
Johnny Bench Vs Yogi Berra
You failed to mention that Berra had more league MVP's, and more all-star games.
And I don't see how it's relevant that some old geezer told another old geezer 50 years ago that he was a hall of famer, I bet Yogi Berra was told that he was a future hall of famer every other day.
Ted Williams Vs. Willie Mays
First of all I would like to point out that Ted Williams only hit over .400 once, also I seriously doubt Ted Williams had anywhere near 12 gold gloves and that's the main reason I gave Mays the edge here, because of the fact that he was a better power hitter, and a much better fielder.
lakers#1 says ROLL TIDE! said 05/30, 11:05 AM
Ok the reason Ted Williiams does not have 12 gold gloves is that award was not around then
Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds
I would like to point out that Barry Bonds is not a DH. Frank Thomas is the all time DH home run leader. Bonds didnt play DH so he doesnt count.
Greg Maddux or Roger Clemens. Maddux has a few less wins than Clemens but Maddux did his without the use of steroids. After this season Maddux will have more wins then Clemens all time. Roger Clemens legacy has been torn because of the roids talk. Greg Maddux also has the most flawless pitching mechanics i have ever seen.
With the Bench and Berra all star situation, Berra played more seasons than Bench and only had one more all star appearence.
*LSU* is back said 05/30, 10:15 PM
"Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds
I would like to point out that Barry Bonds is not a DH. Frank Thomas is the all time DH home run leader. Bonds didnt play DH so he doesnt count. "
Yeah but if he would of played in the Al we all know that he would of been a DH, and his whole time in San Fran he was basicly a glorified DH.
Also when congress finds some DNA samples or roder Confesses I will admit that Madux was better, but until then I would prefer to stay in my own fantasy world in which Rodger never took steroids and never had sex with someone my age.
I beleive that playing more seasons should contribute to your status because that proves that Berra had better longevity and that is a decideing factor when major leaguers are scouted.
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barry bonds for dh assuming he didnt use steroids
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Not a big MLB guy so i passed on this one. Frank Thomas? Nolan Ryan? Dennis Eckersly?
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Nolan Ryan is the MLB all time leader in strike outs
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so we meet again lsurocks
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We've Throwndown a good bit lately, havn't we.
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yep this makes 2 that i know of good luck to u
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Um Ted Wiliams only hit over .400 once. .406
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screamindemon check your facts .406 in 1941 .400 in 1952 and .407 in 1953
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lakers he played a total of 43 games in those last two seasons combined. in 1952 he played just 6 gamaes. The hardly count as a .400 season. I love Williams just saying that theres no reason to manipulate the stats that way.
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Well my bad i only was looking at BA i didnt see his games played well the point still being he did have a .400 batting average season and his lifetime batting average was only 3 points under Willie Mays' best batting average season
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Nolan Ryan might be the most overrated pitcher of all-time. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Clemens, Maddux, Johnson, Spahn and Young.
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Nolan Ryan is not overrated he is the all time leader in strike outs and pitched 7 no hitters that doesnt sound like an overrated pitcher to me
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I would lie to point out that I never Throwdown about MLB, so I'm a bit out of my element.
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Like not lie
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I guess u want DNA samples from bonds too to prove he toke steroids. And there is no such thing as a glorified DH in the NL when he goes out and plays his position just like anyone else
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"guess u want DNA samples from bonds too to prove he toke steroids."
No not really I've just always been such a big Clemens fan I just decided to be one of those unrealistic fans that won't belive there favorite athlete is a fraud until they see a negative drug test, but Bonds is a jerk, I'm glad he got caught and humiliated
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