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  • May 28, 2008 04:05 PM ET

Last night's no-call in the Spurs-Lakers game was the right move.

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Fisher was coming down. Barry moved to the side, waited, and went up for the shot. From there on Fisher had no control over the contact. If Barry went up right away and got hit, that would have been a foul.

But when Fisher was in the air, Barry moved. Then he hesitated. At that point it was Barry's decision if he would get hit or not.

It was also a close call. The refs made the right move at letting this go. If this was in the middle of the game and they let it go, the game would go on with the play forgotten, and there would be no controversey.


Okay, so I know there are a lot more Lakers fans on here, but I simply can not let this one slide.

Your whole first argument is (insert derogatory word here). I don't even know what you are trying to get at. Of course Fisher didn't have control. He FOULED him. And I'm sure the defensive play wasn't an intentional foul. So yes, he had no control. But it was definitely a foul.

No, it wasn't a close call. He landed on him. A close call would be if Fisher touched his arm while he was shooting. That's a close call. Not when someone lands on someone. That's obvious.

The refs did NOT make the right call. They made the "star" call. As in, Brent Barry isn't a star, so we won't make the call. Stars get preferential treatment. Kobe switched his pivot foot with 14sec left to play. They let it go. Fisher jumps into Barry. They let it go. All that "star" stuff aside, it was still a foul. A foul is a foul. No matter who commits it. So it should have been called. NBA refs are the worst at being consistent on their calls. In your first paragraph it seems like you are trying to say that Barry didn't sell the foul. Sell the foul. That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

More next.


Okay, if Barry didn't move at all, Fisher might have missed Barry. But while Fisher was coming down, Barry moved to the side and jumped into him. That late in the game, you can't call something like that. It's too close to call a foul, because there was so much contact during the game. That would make the refs look like they wanted to give the Spurs a win.

And about the Kobe call. Non-stars like Brent Barry and Lindsey Hunter (plus many others) walk EVERY game and on a lot of breakaways. NBA players, star or not, walk and get away with it. Just because it's late in the game doesn't mean they have to call the slightest bump.


What? Did you even watch the play, or are you just going off the watercooler talk. Barry got the ball, was gonna shoot it, Fisher jumped, Barry tried to go around him, Fisher landed on him, Barry stepped to the side AFTER Fisher landed on him, and took the shot. It probably wouldn't have been a shooting foul, so he would have got his 2 free throws to tie it, not win. That would've been the correct call. Let the teams decide in overtime. The fans lost out on this NO CALL.

Yeah, you're right, players walk all the time, and yet the refs do NOTHING. The officiating is horrible. There's no way around it. And that NO CALL backs up my claim. It's one thing if it's close, it's a totally different thing if it's obvious. And the fact that EVERYONE is talking about it makes it seem real obvious to me. Make the obvious calls. You look stupid if you don't, and then we have to have a TD on the subject.

This kind of stuff creates the "floppers" of the NBA. Players think they have to fall down and get an Oscar, or they won't get a call. And judging by that NO CALL, those players are justified in doing so. I hate flopping and I hate NO CALLS. Get it right already. You are a pro ref. Damn.


I've seen the replays many times. And seeing there isn't a watercooler near me, I didn't hear it from the watercooler talk.

Barry didn't shoot it AFTER he was it. It was about at the same time.

Again, the whole game there is pushing, shoving, and calls that slipped by like this. The only reason everybody is making a big fuss over this call is because it was the last play of the game. If it was the first play of the game, there wouldn't be any talk about it at all.

People act when they flop. Barry over-acted with the contact.


"Again, the whole game there is pushing, shoving, and calls that slipped by like this."

Thank you for making my point. Those should've been called too. But just because they weren't, doesn't mean not making this call was okay. As the old saying goes, "Two wrongs don't make a right."

Back to the flopping: This creates it. I'm glad the NBA finally is trying to put a stop to it by fineing individuals who engage in this sort of travishamockery, starting next year. They should also look into refs not making obvious calls and fineing them. But that's another topic.

Barry over-acted? How? All I saw was a guy trying to get a shot off. He didn't flail his arms about like he was just hit by a truck. He was hit, he tried to keep going, and then he took a shot. Then he looked up at the refs to see if there was a call. I don't see how he "over-acted" the contact.

Bottom line, it should have been called. It was a foul, and the NBA even came out and said a foul SHOULD have been called. Doesn't get any clearer than that. I'm not saying other fouls shouldn't have been called, because god knows they should've been, but this needed to be called too.

SPARTANS!!! AHOO! AHOO!

May 28, 2008  05:47 PM ET

Barry tried to avoid the contact with Fisher and still got hit. It was obviously a foul, and another reason to get new refs in the NBA.

May 28, 2008  05:55 PM ET

Well.....Duncan got away with a CLEAR WALK in the 1st, so I say its even. I really dont want to vote for Robetmenn cause I disagree, but Im gonna have to wait. I think it was the right NON call, but Im waiting.

May 28, 2008  05:55 PM ET

Robertmenn has the much better argument thus far.....

May 28, 2008  05:58 PM ET

And Fisher is a star???

May 28, 2008  05:59 PM ET

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But its subject to change pending further arguments

Close your mouth Menn, I voted against a Laker........

And Yes Goodell is right.......Duncan did travel

May 28, 2008  06:03 PM ET

Menn

U do understand that the Spurs at one point during the game had twice as many FT attempts as Lakers right????

Thats called home court officiating.......

And Kobe who averaged 9 FT's in reg season and 13 in 1st 2 round has had 6 FT's in this series.......

May 28, 2008  06:13 PM ET

It WAS a foul, but let's not forget, they shouldn't have even had the ball in the first place, at least not without the Lakers taking two foul shots first. The only reason the Spurs had the ball down 2 in the first place was because the refs blew the call on Fisher's shot, which resulted in Kobe launching up a miss with 2 seconds on the shot clock which the Spurs rebounded. The only problem with that is, the Fisher's shot apparently grazed the rim (not just my opinion, rather that of most sports writers I've read on the subject), which means the Lakers SHOULD have had a new shot clock, meaning Kobe or any other Laker wouldn't have been taking a shot. So the Spurs would have had to foul, etc. etc.

That being said, Fisher did foul Barry, but if they did call it, it would have likely not been classified a shooting foul, as Barry started to dribble, not shoot, as the contact was made.

I'd much rather the refs get it right all around, but it seems like the result would've been the same had they gotten both calls right instead of wrong.

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May 28, 2008  06:14 PM ET

PS - I love Odom's response when asked about it. The reporter asked him if he thought it was a foul. Odom replied "what did you see?" The reporter said it looked like a foul. Odom replied "I was watching things that looked like fouls the whole game."

May 28, 2008  06:17 PM ET

Odom stepped up in the 2nd half

16 points baby!!!

May 28, 2008  06:18 PM ET

LOL at perfect

May 28, 2008  06:18 PM ET

As yankee nation says, the no call was good. Again, had barry jumped into fisher while he was in the air, a foul call was warranted. Barry waited UNTIL Fisher was on the ground and THEN went into him. Not a good move by Barry.

Robert has the better argument thus far though.

May 28, 2008  06:23 PM ET

I'll get back to this. I'm leaving work...and that's usually the only time I FanNation. But I'll try to get on at my house.

May 28, 2008  06:26 PM ET

Pop said if he was a ref he wouldnt have called it. thats saying something.

May 28, 2008  06:26 PM ET

Has Cheeze left building???

LOL

May 28, 2008  06:29 PM ET

Pop said if he was a ref he wouldnt have called it. thats saying something.

screamindemon68 | 05/28/08, 06:26 PM


Dunno if you are being sarcastic or what you mean by this comment demon lol

May 28, 2008  06:44 PM ET

Jesus God...Spur fan get over it! You had your run, it's over. Ginobli is banged up, your team looks like a bunch of tired old men. I'm really going to miss Tim Duncan's bank shots. They are almost as stylish as a huge dunk. NOT!!!

May 28, 2008  07:02 PM ET

im surprised people are so caught up on the last shot. What about Manu not showing up to the game? The Spurs go wherever Manu takes them.

May 29, 2008  10:24 AM ET

Alright...still waiting for the next argument.

 
May 29, 2008  10:29 AM ET

But, after reading some of these comments, it seems like you people are trying to justify the NO CALL. And that's just it, you know it was a foul. That's what I'm saying. It's a foul, call it. And I'm not just talking about THIS particular play, I'm talking about ALL fouls the refs blow when it's obvious.

As to the Tim Duncan travel: When? If you are talking about the dunk when he was cutting down the lane, that wasn't a travel. WASN'T. Look at the replay. I thought it was too, but I was wrong. If you are referring to another play, then disregard what I've just said about the dunk.

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