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(Cincy) said 05/30, 03:56 PM
Stan the man Musial

Games:1479
AB's:5366
Runs:719
Hits:1771
2B's:356
3B's:52
HR's:266
RBI's:972
SB(not much for hitting but) Mantle has more
BB's 842
SO's(blew me away):339
OBP and slugging could not find acurate numbers
Batting average .303
1951 ML player of year
All star every year in 50's
one of two players to have 5 HR's in one day(did so in a double header)
NL Batting champ in 1950,51,52,57
Led the league in extra base hits twice
Led the league in times on base from 1950-53 and 1957
Led the NL in offensive win% from 1950-53,57
was feared as well,leading the league in intentioanl walks in 1957,1958
Led the NL in runs in 51,52,54
led NL in OPS in 50,52,57
Doubles from 52-54
batting wins 50,52,53
Walks in 53
RBI's in 56
posted high averages in several years in the 50's such as .346,.351,.355
led NL in OBP in 53,57
SLG in 50,57

Yes Stan "the Man" was the greatest hitter of the 50's

(Cincy) said 05/31, 12:45 PM
So their OBP,and slugging are nearly the same,while Musial's avg was noticeable better,I'll tae that.

Mantle posted higher numbers in his best season in the 50's when he had the tremendous triple crown season,his numbers are easily below in several categories from that 1956 season.Other than that Musial was much more consistent and could be counted on to produce 100 RBI seasons and higher than 300 averages.
In the 50's Musial posted averages of:
.341
.355
.336
.337
.330
.319
.310
.350
.337
and then .255 as he began to show some age.

As far as RBI's go he was consistent there,with 7- 100 RBI seasons,compared to Mickey's 4- 100 RBI seasons.

Now I don't want to criticize Mantle on the unluckiness of injuries but some of it was actually his fault.Yes,I'll take into account that Mantle was a hard drinker,smoker,and loved to party,which is parlayed in the movie *61,and according to books is accurate.He was partly to blame for the insecure care of his body that caused it to break down,and endured much pain through terrible injuries.

Those numbers you gave on the bottom pretty much make it sound even.

Overral,Stan Musial was the greatest hitter of the 1950's.

(Cincy) said 06/01, 08:25 PM
And once again,let me pick out who is a lot at fault for not playing as many games......-Mickey

Stan knew how to get himself into scoring position right off the bat.He had 683 extra base hits compared to Mantle's 542.I could can not account for exact numbers but Musial did have considerably more Sac Fly's than Mantle.So Musial was no slouch with runners on.

A main reason for Musial's supremacy over hitters in the '50s was his consistency at the plate.His three best Batting average totals were as follows;.355,.351,.346.Mantle's were: .365,.353, .306,with a large dropoff as you can see for Mantle.Along with Musial's RBI's totals,three best 126,109,108,Mantle's two best 130,102,a 28 RBI dropoff from his best to second best.

If there was one thing that pretty much defines their consistency it would be strikeout totals.Mantle struck out over 100 times in a season 4 times.

Musial never struck out more than 40 in any '50's season,and even struck out 26 times one season in a bout 500 AB's.

Yes these two were two of the best hitters of their generation but I have Musial here as the better of the two.