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NCshvDavid - you seen Leroy!! said 06/02, 08:26 PM
Who is the Better coach?

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley
(not counting this year)

I will take Pat Riley

Team 1
Takes over a 7-4 team coming off a first round playoff loss- goes 50-21 and wins title- and then coaches the team of the decade-

Going to the Finals EVERY year but TWO

Team 2
Takes a New York Team that went 39-43 and leads them to round 2 with a 50 win season - leads them to a 57,60 and 55 win season- plus the last time they went to the Finals

The Knicks have been to ONE finals since 1973- Riley
The Knicks have had ONE 60 win season since 1970 - Riley

Team 3
Took over a 32 50 team- won 42 games and went to the playoffs the next 6 years - the Heat had 2 trips the previous 7 years


Next? Took a 11-10 Team to the TITLE

In 10 years as coach of the Heat- 8 Trips to the Playoffs
All ther coaches- 4 trips TOTAL

Phil
Team 1
Took a team that lost in the Eastern Finals

and Lost in the East Finals- No change

Team 2

Took a team coming off a Western Finals Loss ( Other than a strike year)
and won a title

So in 2 teams Phil went up ONE round
In 4 teams- Pat went up SIX rounds including a Non-playoff team!

You have to BUILD PJ

NCshvDavid - you seen Leroy!! said 06/03, 03:31 PM
Let me ask you a serious Question

Has Phil ever... EVER won a title WITHOUT having TWO of the FIVE best players in the NBA by Pos?

Chicago

SF- Pippen - Best SF in the NBA at that time- best Def by FAR- I mean other than Mullen, was any even CLOSE?

SG- Jordan- Best SG of All Time

Lakers

C- O'Neal was the Best in the NBA
SG- Best in the NBA

Whoa! Way to step out on a Limb there coach Guru!!

Now, I will give him FULL credit for winning titles and managing egos

But When- in 23 years in the NBA coaching

Riley has taken over team that did NOT make the playoffs and made them winners- Phil has Never done that

and other than Magic- WHEN has Pat had the best player at his position?

Worthy < Bird and Moses > Kareem at that time.
With the Knicks? Hakeem was better than Pat
With the Heat? Kobe > Wade- and Shaq by then was a SHELL of waht he was.

Phil has NEVER taken a Lotto team and made them winners
Pat has

Phil has taken Winning teams and made them champions
Pat has done that as well

NCshvDavid - you seen Leroy!! said 06/04, 12:26 PM
ok, and name me the playerS thats right I said PLAYERS as in MORE than one- on the Pistons where they have the BEST in the NBA in their Postion

C- Detroit Advantage- But not even the Best in the Central
PF- KG is FAR better- but is he the Best in the NBA? He is a LOT closer than Wallace
SF- Not even CLOSE to the best SF- again Boston had the Adv
SG- Ok the best player on the Pistons- but is he even top 5 in the NBA at his position? Top 7? is he better than Ray Allen?
PG- same thing- is CB top 5 in the NBA?

This only helps my point! Flip has had a TON if success in taking a CHAMPIONSHIP team and not able to succeed with them! BOTH Pat and Phil have done this-

BUT- only Pat has taken a LESSER team and won the title- you cannot tell me how Phil has BUILT a team OR won without a top 5 player in the NBA on his squad!