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Chosen1 said 06/05, 10:08 PM
in 89-90 he got a team in the Bulls that had just made it to the eastern conference finals the season before. he had a situation where he was getting a winning team with a number of very good to great players. he was getting Jordan, Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, and John Paxson. He didn't have to actually do a whole lot of coaching. he got lucky and got maybe the greatest player of all time coming in to his prime in Jordan and he got a top 50 player coming in to his prime in Pippen. he also got a cast of very good players so really I dont think that the success of the Bulls was because Jackson is a great coach.

now lets fast forward to 99-00 when he takes over the lakers. again he inherits an already built team that was already making it to the playoffs. once again not only did he inherit a playoff team he inherited a team with great players. he inherited a young Kobe who just may be the greatest player of his generation and he inherited Shaq who is one of the greatest centers of his generation and is a top 50 player all time along with a supporting cast of good players. Jackson never was put in a situation where he was taking of a team that had been losing for awhile.

Chosen1 said 06/06, 12:17 PM
act as if he was playing a bunch of middle school teams. also you can say well Russell came in and won championships so it wasnt the coaching but those players had already learned from Red's coaching because he had them years before Russell even became coach. and it can also be said that since Red coached Russell and Bill was around for all that time he pretty much knew how to do things because he learned from being around Red.

being able to evaluate talent is a big part of coaching. you have to be able to tell what players of yours need to be out on the court and you have to know what combinations of players to put in at what times and so on. before Red the celtics had never had a winning season and Red was hired because the owner was desperate to try and turn the team in to a winner. so what happens he gets Red and boom the Celtics become winners. not only was Red having to coach players he was deciding on who to draft so he basically put his team together. Phil Jackson never had to put a team together he was like the Bill Russell of coaching he came in and got a job where a team was already put together and was already winning.

Chosen1 said 06/06, 11:38 PM
lol ok let me break this to you the reason the Lakers went from western conference champs to sucking the next year is called they had to rebuild. you take the 03-04 Lakers and look at their playoff roster and then look at the roster they had for the 04-05 season. Off the top of my head here is who they were missing

Shaq
Payton
Malone
Fisher
Fox
Russell

so they lost 6 guys who played for them in the 03-04 playoffs and they lost their coach. now you ask yourself why is it that they sucked in 04-05? its because they were starting over with pretty much a whole new team. so the 04-05 year was more of a rebuilding year to get them ready for the years to come. so sorry but Phil coming back is not why they got good all of a sudden.

you talk about getting ego's to work together. well you just went and said how Red had all these hall of famers playing together well if they were all so good dont think they could have bumped heads and had a bunch of problems? I mean they would all have legit claims as to why they wanted to be featured a little more as the man. oh and what happened in Chicago when Jordan left? no rings for Phil. Phil wins because of the teams he inherits