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BuffaloFan said 06/09, 06:37 PM
Career Stats:
1,808 for 3,149 (57.4%)
24,718 yards
7.8 YPA
152 TD
138 INT
80.5 passer rating
Bart Starr is the only quarterback to have a ring on every finger of his throwing hand. That's right 5 superbowl rings.
He is the best postseason passer in NFL history: 104.8 playoff passer rating with a 1.41 interception rate which is also a postseason record.
He led the NFL in passer rating five times. Johnny Unitas led the league in passer rating just twice. Same with Joe Montana. Only Steve Young surpassed Starr???s mark (six).
Mets Fan: www.sportsnoise.com said 06/09, 07:03 PM
My pick......... Joe Montana
Career stats:
63.2 completion percentage. Better than Starr's
40,551 yards compared to Bart's 24,718
7.5 ypa only .3 less than Bart Starr's ypa
273 td's compared to Bart Starr's 152 td's
only 1 more int.
92.3 passer rating
starr only wins in about 2 stats. Both were great Qb's but, as you can see, Montana is the better QB.
Joe Montana:
8x Pro Bowl selection (1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993)
7x All-Pro selection (1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990)
3x Super Bowl MVP (1981, 1984, 1989)
4x Super Bowl champion (XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV)
2x AP NFL MVP (1989, 1990)
1989 PFWA NFL MVP
1989 NEA NFL MVP
1989 NFL Offensive Player of the Year
1986 NFL Comeback Player of the Year
1981 UPI NFC Player of the Year
1979 Cotton Bowl MVP
1989 Bert Bell Award
BuffaloFan said 06/10, 10:40 AM
Joe Montana is an excellent pick. I would put him at the second best Quarterback of all-time. I understand that only a couple of Starr's stats are better than Montana's but this is still why I would have to go with Starr:
Starr played in an era when 80 was a decent passer rating. Yet he still performed more efficiently in the playoffs than folks such as Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, Young and ??? well, anybody, ever.
History also remembers Starr???s Packers as a great running team, and that???s certainly true of their earlier years. But the truth is that they typically passed the ball more effectively than they ran it, especially during their run of three straight, when they were a below-average running team.
In their 1965 championship season, the Packers were 11th in the 14-team league with an average of 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. They were second in the league, with an average of 8.2 yards per passing attempt.
In their 1966 championship season, the Packers were 14th in the 15-team league, with an average of 3.5 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.9 yards per passing attempt.
Mets Fan: www.sportsnoise.com said 06/10, 01:08 PM
Well, Montana had a 92 passer rating, better than Bart Starr's.
"History also remembers Starr???s"
Starr won 2 super bowls. Why'd you say enough rings to fit his throwing hand? That makes no sense. Anyway, Montana won 4 super bowls and was named sb mvp 3 times.
The rest of your argument is team stats. Since you did not say anything about Starr other than what I quoted, I'm guessing you agree with me.
because Joe Montana is the best qb ever.
BuffaloFan said 06/10, 02:03 PM
No. I don't agree with you. Starr was Lombardi???s second in command, a tremendous big-game performer, and that the Packers of the 1960s would have been just another team without the prolific Starr as their beloved on-field leader. Instead, they won five NFL championships, with Starr at the helm of every single one of those title teams, while he crafted an NFL-record 9-1 postseason mark. The rings say it all. Starr averaged a remarkable 7.85 YPA over the course of his entire career, the 8th-best mark in history, and better than that of a slate of quarterbacks who are generally regarded as the best passers in history, including Dan Marino (7.37), Joe Montana (7.52), Roger Staubach (7.67), Dan Fouts (7.68), Sonny Jurgensen (7.56), Fran Tarkenton (7.27), Y.A. Tittle (7.52), Terry Bradshaw (7.17) and Joe Namath (7.35). To cap his career achievements, Starr earned MVP honors in the first two Super Bowls after shredding the best the AFL could throw his way for 452 yards on 47 passing attempts (9.6 YPA). When it comes to a combination of leadership, victories, big-game performances and statistical supremacy NOBODY put together a more total package than Bart Starr, the greatest QB all-time.
Mets Fan: www.sportsnoise.com said 06/10, 02:20 PM
Montana only trailed in ypa by .3. so what? Like you said, Starr got two super bowl rings and two mvps. Montana won 3 mvps and 4 super bowls. Montana was total package.
All you're telling me is what a leader Bart Starr was. He was a great leader, but Montana was the much better QB. In fact, Montana was the best QB of all time.
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good Luck.
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As much as I like Bart Starr....I gotta go with Montana on this one.
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"That's right 5 superbowl rings."
3 Championship rings
2 Super Bowl rings
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He never won 5 super bowls.
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Not 5 Sbs, 5 Championships. And dont vote on who you think, you should vote on arguments
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"Bart Starr is the only quarterback to have a ring on every finger of his throwing hand. That's right 5 superbowl rings."
Otto Graham had 7. So are you saying Graham had 8 fingers on his throwing hand?
Oh, AND he had a ring from his 1 year 1 championship basketball career.
So Graham has 9 fingers.
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Bart Starr? Bold statement, if ever I've read one
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starr only won two super bowls
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Nowak, sorry i got votes without arguments.
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Montana is always the safe pick
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Elway.
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Bravo on your first TD Nowak, but that is a bold statement....
Are you suggesting that because Starr was on a "bad" statistical team, that he is a better QB?? That would make him a better leader, but I dont know about a better QB.
Unfortuatley, Bart Starr is about 4th or 5th on my all time list behind Elway and others including Montana.....I will wait to vote though
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u could have chose anybody, and u took Starr as the best of all time
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No he isn't
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Bart Starr? ****???? Really???? Wow. Good night.
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