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Moondizzle... said 06/10, 10:57 AM
I'm taking this for the sake of taking it. You made one of the most obvious statements, um, ever, and have an obvious h - on for Chris Osgood, which as a Red Wing fan, you should have. But what I don't understand is why you're railing against Hasek here. Hasek put the Wings in position to do what they did this season with 27 wins. So why the anti-Hasek talk.

Secondly, Hasek played FOUR full seasons for the Red Wings, as well as one where he simply started 14 games. He didn't win a Vezina Trophy once with the Wings. He won ONE Cup as a starter, ONE as a backup. I dont know where he 'has the Cups with Detroit' though. Thats kind of lost on me.

I would figure that his best years would come in Buffalo, since, ya know, he played there double the amount of time that he played in Detroit.

Here is why they will do it:

His nickname is "The Dominator." He is the only player in NHL history to ever have that nickname. First and last. A dominator, if you didn't know, dominates. Alot. Anyone who dominates alot wins alot. That makes him a winner. He is the only player in Red Wings history to ever be called "The Dominator." For this he is eligible for these honors. That's history.

Moondizzle... said 06/10, 06:00 PM
Ok please provide me with the names and credentials of the 'analysts' that are proponents of retiring this guy's number with the Red Wings. Obviously Buffalo should retire it. This whole thing is of an obvious nature....which is why I took it. I dont really care. I'm a 'renegade'..haha.

What the hell. I'll humor you.

Having your number retired by another team does not preclude another from doing the same. Numerous cases exist where players have had their numbers retired by different teams. Hasek's numbers in Buffalo hold no sway over the situation.

It depends on the Red Wings thinking here. Did this guy come in and win you a Cup on his shoulders? He arguably did it once. Mark Messier came to the Rangers, and won 1 cup. Sure he was a member of the team longer, but that is of no consequence. Were the Rangers starving for a Cup? Yes. No matter. He's considered a Ranger.

So I'm not going to get into the stat war with you. The obvious nature of all this lies within the fact that he was a Sabre much longer - a successful one at that. In the end Detroit management must make a call as to Hasek's worth during this long run of success for the Wings.

Moondizzle... said 06/11, 11:02 AM
Ooook....How about you answer my question? You cited none of the 'many sports analysts' that are calling for his number to be retired. Instead you repeated, incessantly, how long Hasek played for Buffalo, which we all know. You repeated, incessantly, that all Hasek did was win 2 cups in Detroit. Is there anything else you can throw out here?

EVEN if people WERE calling for the number to be retired, they are in a severe minority. You issued a throwdown attacking that minority, a member of which I am not.

As stated previously, does Detroit believe that Hasek played an integral role in their Stanley Cup runs? Is he not the greatest European goaltender in NHL history? Yes, and Yes.

You also keep citing Buffalo as 'the more appropriate place' for his number to be retired. As I relayed to you earlier, a player can have his number retired in many places. Not just one. And if they played an integral role in even winning just ONE Cup, a la Mark Messier, one could expect the number to be retired there.

I'm losing this throwdown but not for a lack of a conceptual argument. You didn't answer my statements in argument 2. And thats ok. You're going to win despite that.