MH7KiNG said 06/11, 12:03 AM
*State first then argue. This will only make it fair for the both of us.
I see the Los Angeles Lakers as having the best chances to become a Dynasty.
Good Luck
jeevs BS said 06/11, 08:10 PM
With a great young nucleus and stars owned in Europe, as well as draft picks this season, I'm going with the Portland Trailblazers
MH7KiNG said 06/12, 03:18 PM
Let me remind you that LA made it to the Finals without Andrew Bynum. They also placed first in the West. Let me explain each players current standing and future.
Here is the Lakers current roster:
Bynum- Developed into a force in the paint this season before going down.
Farmar- Rising star in the league. Named to NBA Rook. team last year and NBA Soph. team this year.
Ariza- Acquired via trade for Cook and Evans, he was a very solid defender for the Lakers, before going down.
Vujacic- Can score the ball, shoot the 3 w/o a problem, and is a great offensive and defensive boost off the bench.
Karl- Rookie, hasnt played much.
Turiaf- Great Energy on both ends of floor.
Gasol- No explanation
Mbenga- *Look for him to be dropped this offseason.*
Mihm- past his prime
Radmonovic- Still a threat at the 3
Odom- No expl.
Walton- Can develop into a very nice player. High IQ.
Bryant - No expl.
Fisher - Great leader, probaly at least 3 yeasr left in the tank
Newble- *Look for him to be dropped this offseason*
Brief team summary:
Avg. age 26.4 *w/o Mbenga & Newble 25.8*
Bench (already regared amongst the best in the league:
Avg. age of 24 w/o Mbenga & Newble
Mo 2 Come
jeevs BS said 06/12, 05:40 PM
In order to be a dynasty, your team has to sustain sucess for a number of years and win titles.
Having said that, LA has 9 players above the age of 27, star Kobe Bryant (29), Walton, Radmonovic, Odom, Fisher (33), Newble, Mihm , and Gasol.
Kobe will probably only keep up this level of play for a few more years, and he is the center of the offense, as seen with his MVP award. Same thing with Odom, who will be on the decline, and starting point guard Fisher and Newble are already almost done.
You can't build a dynasty with a team in 3 years, as Kobe, Odom, and the other veterans will be past their prime and can't play at this championship level. The old Lakers dynasty was based around a young shaq and kobe. With an old Kobe and company how can they create a dynasty that can dominate for years?
The TrailBlazers 4 players over 25, with the a young heart of the team in Oden (20), Aldridge (22), Roy (23), Jack (24), Frye (25), McRoberts (21), Spanish superstar Rodriguez (21), Webster (21), Outlaw (23), and Wafer (22) with at least six of them being potential all stars. They can have a dynasty for 8 years!
Plus they have Spanish Star Rudy Fernandez (23) coming next year
MH7KiNG said 06/13, 04:44 PM
Yes, that is what is required in order to be named a dynasty.
Out of those 9 you stated, expect two to be dropped from the roster, making it only 7 over the age of 27. But let me remind you that the last Lakers dynasty, 00-02, which had the 3-peat, wasnt really a young team.
Age Avg
00 : 29
01 : 29
02 : 29
This shows that dynasties can be formed even with a late aged roster. Sure, it is nice to have a great young team that can turn into something special. But, for now, Portland have'nt shown much that indicates them as a future dynasty. Yes, they do have good young players with potential, BUT, Oden hasnt played yet and neither has Rudy Fernandez.
As for the Lakers, they have Kobe is at least good for another 5 years. Same for Gasol. Then you have Bynum and Farmar coming up. All the Lakers 2000 Dynasty had really was Kobe and Shaq (kind of). Now the Lakers can have Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, and Farmar along with Odom in the mix.
Dynasty for 8 years? Yeah, right. That hasnt happened since when, Boston back in the day? And the Bulls were the closest ever since then.
Overall, I still see the Lakers as having the best shot at being a dynasty.
jeevs BS said 06/14, 11:57 AM
I would have to refute your point because, as YOU stated, the Lakers dynasty of 00-02, which really wasn't a long dynasty, was Kobe and Shaq, both young and in the prime of their careers.
Sure, the REST of the team was older, but it didn't matter who you put around Shaq and Kobe, they were the two that made it happen, and they were in their prime. All they needed was a solid PG (Fisher), and he was in his prime.
Not anymore. Fisher's 33. In Bryant's position of high athleticism, top level play does NOT last for 5 more years, until he's 34. He's going to be down the hill in a year or two, he may retire at 34. He is the center of attack, if he doesn't play at this level, the rest of the team will suffer.
It's basically depends on how good Bynum becomes and if they can get a top PG and another superstar to work with him for years
The Blazers have all the pieces already. They are going to get a 20 year old PG from Europe compared to Derrick Rose, Oden, plus Spaniard Fernandez and another Euro star. 15-20 mil. cap room
In order to have a chance at a dynasty, the Lakers need to use all thier cap space, we already have players. Once the players get chemistry after a year...
Comments (39)
Good luck you guys. What's an NBA? j/k
GoldenThread U-23 | 06/11/08, 09:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentI will argue my entire point next. Should of never done that crap on my first argument. Oh well.
MH7KiNG | 06/12/08, 03:19 PM
Report Offensive CommentHey, anytime there is a Blazer related TD, I gotta chime in...
Lakers over achieved this year, but as the Finals showed, they are average at best when Kobe is "contained." Yes, the Celtics defense is the first I have seen that can slow Kobe down for more than a game. What happened in game 4 regarding losing that monster lead will be psychologically desvastating for the young guys on the team. Think back to the Blazers losing that 13 point lead in the 4th quarter against LA (was it in 2000???), and you see how the Blazers never recovered from that. So what happened to the Lakers in game 4 will have lasting effects, in my humble but never wrong opinion =).
As for the Blazers future? It is bright but admittedly have a few question marks...will Oden stay healthy? Who the hell will be their starting PG? Will they ever learn how to run a fast break? Etc...
BTW, Jack is as good as gone...too error prone for a PG in his 3rd year.
Oh, this TD...I say Portland has a better chance to be the next dynasty (homerism included).
Odenator...I'll be baack! | 06/13/08, 02:31 AM
Report Offensive Commentthats right
As i will state in my next argument, we have two other European stars waiting in the wings, one compared to derrick rose
and the trailblazers have massive cap room
jeevs BS | 06/13/08, 11:28 AM
Report Offensive Commentso i think replacing jack wont be too hard
jeevs BS | 06/13/08, 11:28 AM
Report Offensive CommentIs this a joke?
The Lakers? Shouldn't it be narrowed to a team that doesn't already win a ton of games? and championships? The Lakers have already been a dynasty in the past 10 years. Jeevs is right, the Lakers will be nothing without Kobe. At least you didnt' pick the Spurs.
pezeeunited | 06/13/08, 02:22 PM
Report Offensive CommentNo this isnt a joke. Winning a ton of games is where you start. You people are acting like Kobe is retiring next year. He is still good for another 5 years, and last time I checked, It took the last team 3 years to be named a dyansty. Dont forget about the Spurs mini-dynasty also.
MH7KiNG | 06/13/08, 04:47 PM
Report Offensive CommentMASSIVE CAP SPACE?!!!!!
Lakers Cap: -$16,954,543
Blazers Cap: -$15,841,668
That is a difference of $1,112,875. NOT VERY MASSIVE!!!!!
MH7KiNG | 06/13/08, 04:51 PM
Report Offensive Commentlakers
The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 | 06/13/08, 05:02 PM
Report Offensive CommentMH7KiNG,
Portland will be more than $20 mil below the cap after next season, not the $15 you noted. Of course, this could change if they make major trades or FA signings the next few months.
Odenator...I'll be baack! | 06/13/08, 07:41 PM
Report Offensive Comment-15 million is better than -20 million.
No offense but please, back up your statement with evidence. How is their cap going to change? I would really like to know.
MH7KiNG | 06/14/08, 01:43 AM
Report Offensive CommentKobe has 5-6 years left before he starts to decline......
Gasol is 28
Odom 28
Farmar 21
Bynum 20, almost 21
Lakers have a 5-6 window of opportunity
djroxalot excited abt new job | 06/14/08, 12:00 PM
Report Offensive CommentJordan sustained it for a long time, Kobe can too
djroxalot excited abt new job | 06/14/08, 12:02 PM
Report Offensive CommentStill don't have a PG
He is SG, MVP level for 5-6 years is difficult
His PPG and APG will drop of a bit, like with Jordan did with more help
jeevs BS | 06/14/08, 12:04 PM
Report Offensive Commentportland trail blazers?? eh i dunno....i would go with the cavs before them...
We Are All Witnesses! | 06/14/08, 12:34 PM
Report Offensive CommentThe Cavs????
LMAO
djroxalot excited abt new job | 06/14/08, 12:38 PM
Report Offensive CommentSmell a homer in the house
djroxalot excited abt new job | 06/14/08, 12:39 PM
Report Offensive CommentJeeves
Fisher is a solid PG and Farmar is developing
The Trinagle doesnt need a pure PG or C to function
djroxalot excited abt new job | 06/14/08, 12:39 PM
Report Offensive Commentseems to me the cavs make it to the playoffs a whole lot more than the trail blazers do...
We Are All Witnesses! | 06/14/08, 12:44 PM
Report Offensive CommentFisher is 33
jeevs BS | 06/14/08, 01:07 PM
Report Offensive CommentAdd a comment
Remember to keep it clean. Bad words will get filtered, and offensive comments will be removed. More Guidelines