All-time NBA starting five with a twist.
screamindemon68 said 06/11, 07:26 PM
I am taking Lifer's idea and using it for basketball. Choose a starting five according to actual position. The catch is that all five must be from consecutive drafts and you can only have one player per draft.
I will take 1956-60.
C-Wilt Chamberlain (1959)
PF- Tom Heinsohn (1956)
SF- Elgin Baylor (1958)
SG- Sam Jones (1957)
PG- Oscar Robertson (1960)
Steveo16220 is a GGTK said 06/11, 09:09 PM
Mark Price- PG -86-
Michael Jordan- SG-84
Dominique Wilkins - SF- 82
Karl Malone- PF-85
Ralph Sampson- C -83 No one can compare to Wilt so i just threw him in here.
But the other 4 match up pretty well to yours.....i will hold off on arguing since you had no chance to know what i was putting down....
screamindemon68 said 06/12, 12:59 AM
Obviously no one compares with MJ and Wilt so lets compare Sampson and Sam Jones. Jones, or Mr Clutch as he was called, was an integral part of the celtics dynasty. Not only was he a winner and extremely clutch, he has better overall accompishments then Sampson. 2 more all nba teams, 1 more all star selection, and 2 more ppg. Sampson couldnt finish in the top ten in FG% even though he was 7'4. Jones did it 3 times as a guard. Of course my main point here is that Jones was a great winner and team player.
Price, while a good PG doesnt even compare to the Big O. I dont think i need to say anything further.
Baylor vs Wilkins. Baylor was a better scorer, rebounder, and passer. Not even close. Baylor has much higher averages in everything. He was top 10 in scoring 10 times, rebounding 8 times, and assists 6 times. Wilkins while a great scorer, never finished top 10 in rebounding or assists. Baylor has the fourth highest career points average EVER. He is a top 3 small forward of all time. Wilkins simply isnt.
Ill give you Malone but ill go over Tommy next time.
Robertson, Jones and Baylor are two of the 50 Greatest Players of all time. Wilkins, Sampson, and Price arent.
Steveo16220 is a GGTK said 06/12, 01:56 AM
Why would you compare players to eachother that play DIFFERENT positions?
The players on my list have played in a different era and IMO overall better competetion...if you take any of the players on your list and put them into the league that my players played in...their stats would not be the same...BUT i would bet you if any of my players went into the league back in the 60's, the would still perform as they have.
Wilk / Baylor...Not sure why you have Baylor as a hands down favorite over Wilk...i mean wilk scored more points, had a better Shotting % a better free throw more steals...he was a quick player with great skills, that comapred to Baylor and in my opinion was better. Baylor WASN'T top 3 in points average, or having better averages in everything.
Jordan hands down
Malone over Heinsohn
With the majority of my players taking head to head advantages, its also a good bet to think a core of 5 players with the best PF, SF and SG would handle a team with a better Center and PG....the game would be totally one sided. Just a dominate center and a better PG wont get you a better team....i would easily take the three positions i have on lock over the two you have
screamindemon68 said 06/12, 07:21 PM
So we agree that i have a better center and PG (the 2 most important positions in basketball) and you have the better SG and PF. So Baylor vs Wilk.
First, you said "Baylor WASN'T top 3 in points average, or having better averages in everything. " I said baylor had the FOURTH highest career points average ever.
But i digress lets look at some stats.
Baylor 27.4 ppg, 13.4 reb, and 4.3 assists, (assists were MUCH harder to get in his era), .431 FG% (again the average FG% was MUCH LOWER in his era)
Wilk 24.8 ppg, 6.7 reb, and 2.5 assists. .461 fg%.
Baylor was the better passer, rebounder, and scorer, finishing in the top ten in all 3 catagories more than Wilk did.
And you bring up steals? what a pointless and dumb stat. Steals werent even recorded during Baylors era.
Finally, yes Wilk has more total points but during baylors time they only played 72-80 game seasons. their scoring AVERAGE the stat that really matters is won by baylor. Finally there is all-nba teams of which baylor has 10 first team selections compared to Wilks one.
In closing, I have 4 of the 50 greatest players of all time. You have 2. need i say more?
Steveo16220 is a GGTK said 06/12, 09:02 PM
Steals a pointless stat?...
ok lets just take the defensive perspective out of basketball then....it is one measure of a players defensive statue...just becasue YOUR player doesnt match up well with that stat, doesnt mean it's pointless.....steals pointless...hahahaha
your argument was pointless...
why? Becasue a center and PG are NOT the teams most agile weapons or players...wilt might have been, but compared to the like of jordan malone and wilken playing together, he would get smoked along with his team...
You can battle stats all you want with wilk and baylor, but wilk played agianst the harder competetion...more and more players of Niques era were harder to compete with and the league's overall competetino was harder than what it was in the 1960's/1970's....
All in all, all my five might not be on the 50 greatest players of all time....but that phrase it just a title given by espn...or SI...or some sports orginization....Your 5 would be beaten by my five...they wouldnt have no chance to stay afloat...not with the physical build and dominate playing styles my guys bring to the game....
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Comments (20)
Magic and MJ being 6 years apart and Duncan and Shaq being the same REALLY sucks.
screamindemon68 | 06/11/08, 07:36 PM
Report Offensive Commentcan i get next?
This is not the Pimp you want | 06/11/08, 07:45 PM
Report Offensive Commentcan i get next?
A throwdowner named NCshvDavid | 06/11/08, 07:45 PM
No. you're stuck at the kids table.
Porkins: Pisses Excellence | 06/11/08, 07:46 PM
Report Offensive CommentGot an issue there
Tom Heinsohn was a territory selection- not a draft pick
He was allocated to the Celtics
This is not the Pimp you want | 06/11/08, 08:30 PM
Report Offensive CommentDamn you for being so technical. Its true i admit it. Ok they didnt necessarily have to be drafted, just had to have come from that year. So you could also use Ben Wallace in 1996 even though he wasnt drafted.
screamindemon68 | 06/11/08, 08:38 PM
Report Offensive Commentok...ok...i like both of the picks....but my vote goes right...im sorry...but having michael jordan on your team is pretty much a gaurantee that your most likely going to win...yes...i agree nobody compares to wilt....but on the other hand....nobody and i mean NOBODY compares to MJ! NOBODY!
We Are All Witnesses! | 06/11/08, 11:34 PM
Report Offensive CommentI's go with STEVE....SCREAMIN, thats "Ole School", list you have there! Both lists are interesting, though!!!
Joba Rules Phan | 06/12/08, 02:25 PM
Report Offensive Commenthow do you put your team of drafted in the 80s and not have the best center of jordans draft do you forget who was drafted first that yr your team would have become much better with the addition of hakeem i mean do you really think sampson is better than the dream
mklein5 | 06/12/08, 02:53 PM
Report Offensive CommentI believe Wilt was a territorial pick as well....
Twizlamic | 06/12/08, 04:57 PM
Report Offensive CommentThis team would own both. KG at PF in '95, Kobe at SG in '96, Tim Duncan at C in '97, Paul Pierce SF in '98, and Baron Davis at PG in '99. That team would be amazing.
lakerfan705 | 06/12/08, 06:32 PM
Report Offensive Commenthow do you put your team of drafted in the 80s and not have the best center of jordans draft do you forget who was drafted first that yr your team would have become much better with the addition of hakeem i mean do you really think sampson is better than the dream
mklein5 | 06/12/08, 02:53 PM
read the rules of the TD....if i had taken hakeem i couldnt have used Jordan....
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 06/12/08, 08:48 PM
Report Offensive Commentsteveo sorry if i didnt make myself clear. steals isnt a pointless stat in general, only in this argument because they were not even recorded in Baylors era so saying Wilkins had more steals is a pointless statement.
screamindemon68 | 06/12/08, 10:24 PM
Report Offensive CommentIt's unfair to say that older players from the 50's could not compete with the 80's. Thats like saying MJ wouldn't have **** on LeBron! They're two different eras in basketball. Having said that, the pick goes to the screamindemon68. Wilt and Oscar is a scary sight.
eabitchz80 | 06/13/08, 03:43 AM
Report Offensive Commentscreamindemon68 said 06/12, 12:59 AM
Obviously no one compares with MJ and Wilt so lets compare Sampson and Sam Jones. Jones, or Mr Clutch as he was called,
Umm, Jerry West is Mr. Clutch, not Sam Jones.
jakeellagusdad | 06/13/08, 10:32 AM
Report Offensive CommentHow can there even be an argument here. Jordan, Nique, Karl Malone...
Joe Dew | 06/13/08, 11:48 AM
Report Offensive CommentIt's unfair to say that older players from the 50's could not compete with the 80's. Thats like saying MJ wouldn't have **** on LeBron! They're two different eras in basketball. Having said that, the pick goes to the screamindemon68. Wilt and Oscar is a scary sight.
eabitchz80 | 06/13/08, 03:43 AM
no its not....there were more players in the 80's with higher shooting % point scored, assists, better defense...and just more overall better players then there were int eh 60's/70's...overall the nba in the 80 was a MUCH harder time to play than the 60's....witht that said, its EASY to say that the players from back in the day couldnt compete with the 80's ....the 80's draft brought in so many players and it really changed the NBA's overall stage of competetion....more and more athletes were racking stats and giving competetion to other super stars...
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 06/13/08, 01:43 PM
Report Offensive Commentmaybe you just dont know how little players there were that dominated the league in both era's.....there might have been more HOF in the 1960's but the guys they played against are no where near as good as the competetion that my guys played against...
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 06/13/08, 01:46 PM
Report Offensive CommentCompetition will always get better as the years progress Steveo8u02808e028. As technology advances and the league globalizes, athletes become stronger and come from farther reaches around the world. The competiton in todays games are much more difficult than what MJ & Malone went up against. And 10 years from now, the competition will only get stiffer.
So don't try to pull that 80's much more tougher than the 50s BULLCRAP! Players can only be judged based on what the league was like in their eras.
eabitchz80 | 06/13/08, 04:39 PM
Report Offensive CommentHey what about: 1994-1998
PG - Jason Kidd (1994)
SG - Kobe Bryant (1996)
SF/PF - Dirk Nowitzki (1998)
PF - Kevin Garnett (1995)
PF/C - Tim Duncan (1997)
eabitchz80 | 06/13/08, 04:52 PM
Report Offensive CommentCompetition will always get better as the years progress Steveo8u02808e028. As technology advances and the league globalizes, athletes become stronger and come from farther reaches around the world. The competiton in todays games are much more difficult than what MJ & Malone went up against. And 10 years from now, the competition will only get stiffer.
So don't try to pull that 80's much more tougher than the 50s BULLCRAP! Players can only be judged based on what the league was like in their eras.
eabitchz80 | 06/13/08, 04:39 PM
your entire argument there contradicts itself....good job...at least if your going ot try and argue something, know what your talking about before you say it.....
1 you said competetion will always get better....so point in case the competetion between the 60's and 80's favored the 80's greatly....the TD at hand isn't about the 80's vs 90's or 2000's...its about the 60's draft players against the 80's draft players...
then you go on to say:
"So don't try to pull that 80's much more tougher than the 50s BULLCRAP! Players can only be judged based on what the league was like in their eras."
which in retrun goes against everything you just said in the first paragraph.....
yes they can be judged on what they were like in their era, but in return you can also make a determination that if there are MORE all around better players in one era, that it would be harder to play in it....simple really....theres no arguing against it......even you said so yourself when you said competetion will always get tougher......
oh and technology has NOTHING to do with players getting better...what a dumb statement.
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 06/13/08, 07:29 PM
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