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  • June 12, 2008 12:41 PM ET

If Horse racing is legal then **** fighting should be too.

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If we as humans can ride horses and beat them with a whip, and oh by the way kill them if they injure themselves due to our riding them, why shouldn't **** fighting be legal. I mean a chicken is much much lower of an animal then a horse. Horses are seen to be majestic and have intelligence, chickens are pretty dumb animals. They are also a huge source of food in this country. So if we kill them to eat them anyway, why can't we fight them first. Because it's cruel? To me cutting off their head and watching them run around is cruel too, keeping them stuffed on top each other in their own feces and sick is cruel too. So my question is why the double standard. It's ok to kill and eat them, we just can't entertain ourselves in the mean time? Heck even dog racing (which is a horrible life for the dog) is legal and they are mistreated all the time. I say it should be legal to fight chickens. We don't raise them as pets, we attach almost no signifigance to the species other then they taste good fried. At least after the chicken dies we could eat it, a horse you can't do much with besides adhere two pieces of paper together. Think I am wrong? Then throwdown.


There is one HUGE oversight you didn't mention...

The difference between horse racing and **** fighting is that in **** fighting, the fight goes on until one of the ****'s is dead. Often, the winning **** is badly hurt so that it is killed as well. In horse and dog racing, the losing animals aren't killed. Accidents do occur and some horses die, but often, the last place horse will race again.

Chicken fights are often cruel and unusal punishment to the chicken. Our country does not have deep roots in chicken fighting. Old societies used to have humans fight to the death...but we don't anymore...so why should we have chickens fight to the death to entertain us?

If you are that bored and need to be entertained by watching things fight to the death, you should try turning on the TV (or try seeking help).


Really the losing horse never gets killed? Didn't they just have to put a horse down right on the track after a race? Or did I miss see that? Horses are put down all the time in the sport. The money is truly made off their sperm and not off the horse actually winning races.

I say to your statement about the chickens being dead, who cares it's a chicken.

Who determines cruel and unusual, our government? The same one that condones torture on human beings. So were saying as a society today, we take better care of animals then we do people. Great.

What's acceptable in a society changes over time your right about that, however we apply one set of rules to one type of thing and another set of rules to another even though essentially its the same thing.

Does a horse risk it's life racing. YES. Does a chick risk his life fighting. YES same same there

Is a chicken more valuable then a horse? Nope. So why can we kill chickens to live, but not for entertainment? Essentially your still killing the animal.

We can go to an MMA event and watch to guys bloody each other up, but its not ok for chickens.

We can watch a boxing match, where someone COULD die, but no chickens


"Really the losing horse never gets killed?"
--please make sure you read what i say carefully..."Accidents do occur and some horses die, but often, the last place horse will race again." OFTEN is not ALWAYS! Yes, some horses have to be put down, but the majority will live to race again or live to breed the rest of their life

"I say to your statement about the chickens being dead, who cares it's a chicken."
--it might be just a chicken, but where is the line drawn? What about, it's just a pig, it's just a horse, it's just a cat? it's just a dog, it's just a criminal?

"The same one that condones torture on human beings. So were saying as a society today, we take better care of animals then we do people."
--Umm...who said that?

In a chicken fight, often the feet are equipped with metal claws to draw more blood and enable more damage to be done. That's pretty cruel and unusual if you ask me.

We kill chicken to eat, not for entertainment. That's just not how our society works buddy.

The difference between chicken fighting and boxing/MMA is the losing chicken WILL die, while there is a very miniscule probability the human will die.


So, again you say that's ok, to kill a horse their are circumsantces where this is ok. Just wanted to make sure I got your point.

You are over thinking the TD, the line for this TD is drawn at chickens.

I did, the attorney general of these United States said torture is not unconsitutional. It's a fact they use it on human beings. That's where I got that from. So if we can torture humans, why not fight animals?

Yeah about the weapons part, I think they should have a commision like boxing, where certain rules are looked at, I think it shoudl be the best chicken for itself, not the best equipped chicken.

We kill chickens to eat, your correct but you mean to tell me you don't know anyone who has chopped the head off a chicken and laughed when it ran around without it. That could be possible if youv'e never lived in farm country but if you did you would clearly see that people do find that entertaining.

Still a human could die. That's a fact and yet we still have it. So if a Human COULD Die and that is acceptable, why shouldn't it be acceptable for chickens to die.

**** fighting is also endorsed by the likes of Roy Jones Jr. Pedro Martinez, Manny, Big Papi and many


Torture on human beings is only used to obtain information that is pertinent for the government for national safety.

I don't think torturing chickens or other animals is a matter of national securty.

SO now you want to change it so that the chickens don't have weapons? So how are they supposed to determine who wins the fight if they lack the ability to kill the other one? Judges? Maybe we can have a pig be the referee like in Animal Farm?

"We kill chickens to eat, your correct but you mean to tell me you don't know anyone who has chopped the head off a chicken and laughed when it ran around without it"
--Um no I don't...1. I'm from the city. 2. I don't hang around people who aren't stable.

YOu are trying to blur the line between COULD and WILL.

Could equals a mere possibility
WILL equals an absolute certainty.

"**** fighting is also endorsed by the likes of Roy Jones Jr. Pedro Martinez, Manny, Big Papi and many"
--With the exception of Roy...the other guys you mentioned are from different cultures where chicken fighting is accepted

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June 12, 2008  01:03 PM ET
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It may not be right but that doesn't mean we should allow another, maybe even worse injustice such as **** fights or dog fight to take place.

June 12, 2008  01:04 PM ET
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LOL, they don't beat the horse with a whip. They smack a half-ton animal on the rump with tiny little stick. It doesn't hurt the horse in the slightest. I have two horses in my back yard, and it would take a baseball bat swung at full strenth to even begin to hurt them.

And you are also wrong about dog racing. Sure, there are some breeders and trainers that abuse the dogs. But most live a great life. Don't speak of subjects you don't understand. It makes you sound kind of dumb.

June 12, 2008  01:04 PM ET
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I think **** fights should be legal, same as dog fighting, but they shouldn't put spurs or give them stuff that gives them ulcers, so they at least have a chance to survive.

June 12, 2008  01:09 PM ET
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Gruden? Are you a horse? Do you know it doesn't bother him. How come there is a saying that horse doesn't take to the stick? right there that says horses don't like the whip. You ever been hit by a riding crop , while sometimes enjoyable depending on the circumnstance, its mostly not fun and it hurts.

June 12, 2008  01:13 PM ET
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LOL, they don't beat the horse with a whip. They smack a half-ton animal on the rump with tiny little stick. It doesn't hurt the horse in the slightest. I have two horses in my back yard, and it would take a baseball bat swung at full strenth to even begin to hurt them.

And you are also wrong about dog racing. Sure, there are some breeders and trainers that abuse the dogs. But most live a great life. Don't speak of subjects you don't understand. It makes you sound kind of dumb.

Gruden Again | 06/12/08, 01:04 PM

Read as: I really shouldn't open my mouth.

June 12, 2008  01:14 PM ET
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why would it be legal to raise it in a chicken house (if youve never seen one in action you dont want to), mass cut off their heads and eat them, but not legal to put them in a ring where they control their own destiny?

ask yourself this, which chicken is better off? the one in the fight or the one losing its head for the dinner table?

its a huge double standard and quite rediculous if you ask me, vote left

ps: Gruden could you possibly disappear from the site again? you are a known cheater and quite annoying, you have no since of humor and take these topics much to seriously, and your grammer is lacking

June 12, 2008  01:14 PM ET
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racing does not equal fighting.

The point of a race is not to physically defeat your opponent(s).

Forcing animals to fight and calling it a sport is absurd.

June 12, 2008  01:19 PM ET
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racing does not equal fighting.

The point of a race is not to physically defeat your opponent(s).

Forcing animals to fight and calling it a sport is absurd.

Porkins: FN's Terry Tate | 06/12/08, 01:14 PM
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the problem is at no point do you force a chicken or a dog to fight, they pretty much do that on their own

June 12, 2008  01:28 PM ET
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the problem is at no point do you force a chicken or a dog to fight, they pretty much do that on their own
Frank Pentangelli Retired TDer | 06/12/08, 01:19 PM

No they don't. They are bred to fight from the day they are conceived. Look at those horrible rape stands they use in dog fighting.

June 12, 2008  01:31 PM ET
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I find it funny that duq man use thw word "****" excessively throughout his first paragraph and the word "chicken" the rest of the way.

June 12, 2008  01:32 PM ET
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No they don't. They are bred to fight from the day they are conceived. Look at those horrible rape stands they use in dog fighting.

c note | 06/12/08, 01:28 PM
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so whats your point? the animals do it on their own, the rape stands are for the protection of the dogs

June 12, 2008  01:34 PM ET
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They do not do it on their own. They are bred and trained to fight.

June 12, 2008  01:35 PM ET
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actually they would fight on their own, they would not however be trained to fight,

June 12, 2008  01:35 PM ET
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ha..ha..ha he said ****

June 12, 2008  01:36 PM ET
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wow to say **** you need to spell it ****

June 12, 2008  01:53 PM ET
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anyone who has not ever been to a chicken farm has no idea the conditions these animals live in, it would be way less cruel to let them duke it out, then to stuff thousands of birds into a tiny hot, nasty building.

June 12, 2008  01:57 PM ET
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"Torture on human beings is only used to obtain information that is pertinent for the government for national safety. " lmao at your niavity...lmao

June 12, 2008  02:01 PM ET
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just curious but how old are you? also have you ever been to a chicken farm?

So basically torture is good as long as it protects you, right up until the time your labelled as a threat to this country and you are then tortured. See that's the big picture, not that terrorists shouldn't be beaten down, but when they start coming for the rest of us, thats when the problem gets down.

In any society when you give the government to much power they will use it. We as Americans are so niave as to think our own government would NEVER do anything to its own citizens...yeah kinda like we never locked up the Japanese AMERICANS during WW2..what happens when they come for the African Americans, or the Irish?

June 12, 2008  02:01 PM ET
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"Really the losing horse never gets killed? Didn't they just have to put a horse down right on the track after a race? Or did I miss see that? "

Big, big problem with that argument. Horses are treated like prized assets. When a horse goes down with a broken limb, they are the type of animal that can NOT survive in most, if not all, cases. They depend on the equilibrium of their torso and their LIVES depend on the equal distribution of their weight. That said - they experience unbearable pain and in those cases the HUMANE thing to do is to euthanize. You would be pretty mad if they kept the horse alive too long (Barbaro) so they could make money off their stud fees, wouldnt you?

 
June 12, 2008  02:02 PM ET
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actually i'm 24 and i work for the government if you want to know

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