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NEW FAN NATION RULE: What does everyone think about this.
The Advisor said 06/14, 03:10 PM
Everyone that votes should be required to provide a valid reason why they chose to vote the way they did. It doesn't have to be a long paragraph or anything, just a sentence stating why they voted left vs. right or vice versa.
I just had a TD where my opponent admitted that he lost and later on he still gets votes. How can this be possible unless its a friend of his that blatantly just is voting for him.
I think Fan Nation should REQUIRE every voter to provide reasons for their votes. Meaning you can only vote after you state why you voted that way. This can show if the voters even know anything about the subject vs. just voting for their friends to get an easy win.
What do you think?
Lifer: Metallica Sucks! said 06/14, 03:27 PM
I have a few problems with this...
1. It is going to be impossible to enforce. I'd say that up to (and occasionally well over) 100 TDs are made per day, and you have to figure that there are at least 10 votes for each of these. There are only a few moderators of FN. Do you expect them to go through 1,000+ votes, to see if there were comments along with votes? Not only would this be an impossible task, but it would pull these mods away from more important duties.
2. I just don't like the rule anyways. It isn't my duty to explain why I felt the need to vote for someone. Why should I waste a minute writing up why I voted when I could just as easily do it in a second? I just don't see why I have to explain my reasoning for my choice...that is the job of the the people arguing, not the voter.
3. Along with #2...there are few enough votes in TDs. I've seen many TDs that end without even 10 total votes. Doing this will drop that. You will start to see TDs that have 5 or fewer total votes. People don't want to waste time on something they really don't have a stake in anyways.
I'm sorry you were jipped in that TD, but that's still a rare occurrence. This rule will only hurt FN.
The Advisor said 06/14, 03:48 PM
1) The TD isn't about whether its possible to enforce or not, its the concept and if you agree with it or not.
If you're not a MOD, then why do you care whether they have the time or not. This rule would help secure and provide integrity to the site, whats more important than that? I bet you that it would encourage more TDs if it was enforced.
I notice I only see the TDers with the 300/400 win records are often logged in to the site. When there are plenty of 20/50 win records on here that don't see the need to even TD anymore because their great arguments get overshadowed by a TDers fanbase, record etc. giving that TDer an easy edge. You have 300 wins, of course you don't want the new rule.
Besides, I comment every TD I vote on. It's not like you have to write an essay, just a sentence. No big deal. I feel its common courtesy to let the TDers know why u voted the way u did.
My record is 8-7-1 but my arguments deserve better. Read my TDs. The problem is when a TDer that has hundreds of friends is TDing a newbie with less than 10 wins, the veteran automatically gets votes without voters even reading the TD in my opinion or they vote on their personal opinion etc.
Lifer: Metallica Sucks! said 06/14, 04:13 PM
Umm..when did you say this TD was about the concept. You say in your first argument that you think this should be a new rule. If you can show me where you said this was in concept only, I'll happily eat my words.
This rule would not encourage more TDs. Besides driving people away from FN (or at least the TDing part of it), there would be fewer voters. I remember back in the day when it was an oddity to see fewer than 20 votes in a TD. Nowadays, 10 and under is the norm. Who wants to TD when there are about 5 votes?
Also, what does your 3rd paragraph have to do with this argument? Even if your rule goes into effect...how would that stop people for voting on their friends? They would put in their little comment, and their vote would go through...am I missing something here?
Congratulations, you're a wonderful person for commenting on why you voted. Guess what? I do that in the majority of TDs I vote in as well. I don't, however, want to be obligated to do this. If I feel like one person has done their job of arguing better, I will vote for them and perhaps say something. Perhaps not. If I was forced to write something, believe me when I say that I would do TDs and vote much less.
The Advisor said 06/14, 04:36 PM
All your friends are voting for you, so its no need to continue. Plus you have a ghost argument and haven't even stated why you did or didn't like the rule. Yet you still get all these votes from your cult followers.
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This would be impossible to enforce, but I agree with the concept.
0x NBA/NFL Champion
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ok as long as it is not the same kind of rule
The Advisor
Arlington , VA
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No, it would not. You can just make it so that a comment needs to be posted in order for a vote to occur, and if it is found that a person just votes without making a reasonable comment most of the time, they cannot vote anymore.
GaretJax is Richard…
Saint Paul , MN
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Just make it so that you cant vote until after at least 2 arguments get posted on each side. But honestly, the site traffic would slow down. I don't think this is fix-able.
Moondizzle...
New York, NY
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haha, lifer said duties
stecky: pirate…
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You say that all they need to do is for someone to write a sentence about the topic ... If friends actually take the time to go on and vote for them, I'm sure they won't mind taking 2 more minutes just to skim it and write a sentence .... I do agree something needs to be changed, but not like this
jmphilliesfan
Sewell , NJ
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i try and always leave a comment for who i have voted for and why, unless its blatantly obvious who should get the vote...as of now, i am leaning right, because i do agree it would be a hard rule to enofrce...
and i know alot of others on here, that also comment with why they voted the way they did...
gonets
Lewisville, TX
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vote right
Dallas Sports Fan
Austin , TX
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That is just an example of what you would get. And as stated above not everyone wants to take the time to comment. I may have just a minute and saw a good debate (it does happen now and again) and decide to vote. I should not have to explain my vote....silly
Dallas Sports Fan
Austin , TX
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I love LIFER's 3rd arguement about the number of votes. It explains everything. Vote right.
Denis24
Fort Wayne, IN
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I disagree... and voted against but will comment anyways. I like people to make comments but shouldn't be required. All that would happen with a requirement is less participation and people making a dumb reference like you are dumb or x sucks just to meet the requirement.
The larger annoyance to me are people who vote against you because they dont agree with your choice or say cant vote for either because they say someone else is the best team, player etc... The issue should be who argued the best for their choice versus their opponents choice/argument.
Sooner in WA- Hook…
Tacoma , WA
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no comment....
Steveo16220 is a…
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LMAO, here it is again!! If I was TDing someone with less than 10 wins I bet I'd be winning. PERFECT EXAMPLE right here! This is exactly what I mean!!
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Advisor
Arlington , VA
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I vote for the guy who actually responds to my fanmails.
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Cassidy's Ultimate…
Whatsittoya, NO
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All Lifer's friends vote right.. Shocking...
The Advisor
Arlington , VA
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This is exactly what I'm talking about right here. Unbelievable!!
The Advisor
Arlington , VA
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Actually on the issue of adding rules and regulations to a site such as this where the number of members fluxuates widely depending on the season and sports being played. Any TD where you intend to impliment more rules will not get you many votes. It's not a TD I would make if I wanted to have a fair chance at winning.
JMHO.......
Azmodi (Is saying…
Largo , FL
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Thats why I don't throwdown on here. I see the pattern, its the insiders club and if you're in it you win it. Its no use to even TD on here.
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Tha Voice of Reason
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"I vote for the guy who actually responds to my fanmails. "
I check out your TDs, Cassidy. I don't vote in a lot of them because a lot of them are in a sport I don't follow (like basketball). And the ones I do vote in...well, I'm not going to vote for you just because you ask me to. I still vote on choices and arguments. Sorry if that policy doesn't suit you.
Lifer: Metallica…
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All Lifer's friends vote right.. Shocking...
The Advisor | 06/14/08, 03:52 PM
BOO-FRIGGIN-HOO. I'm only friends with 3 of the 7 people that have actually voted for me thus far. Stop acting like you're some victim, you aren't.
Lifer: Metallica…
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