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Pierce is a very good player but I wouldn't classify him as elite. He's had a similar career to Mitch Richmond. Pierce is a good second tier star that put up solid numbers for (mostly) mediocre teams.

^ I agree with Angelos to a point. I definitely don't see Pierce as an elite player. That said, the Celtics retire an absurd amount of numbers.

They already have 21 retired numbers- for comparison's sake, the Yankees only have 16.

The fact is, the Celtics retire too many numbers. Given that, Pierce will almost certainly have his 34 hanging up there.

CAREER-
23pts , 6.5 rbs, 4 assts per game

10 years with the club
* likely title this year.....

He'll be retired- as long as he doens't do anything stpid....lol

Also there really has been NO ONE of quality to play in boston since the 80's

You know what I hate....... when players take a shot by the opposing bench and the bench players jump up, yell, and everything else. Stay off the court and don't act like kids- be professional

But anyway, I hate when this happens and it happens far too often. A person puts up a decent argument under a fair topic, and another person decides to take the argument...when they AGREE. Even if the topic is a little obvious, if someone disagreed and though they had a good argument let them throwdown, do not take the argument when you agree just to say that you think it is obvious. Let someone who actually wants to throwdown throwdown, instead of taking these arguments and doing absolutely nothing with them, and wasting them by whining about this so called "easy win". If it is such an easy win, no opne will take it, and the throwdown will expire, but if someone wants to take it, let them. This is a watse of a throwdown, Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox.
Vote left for the sheer reason that right just took this to be a smart-****.

Having watched Paul Pierce for the entirety of my short life, I have seen that he is an elite scorer in this league. He gets to the free throw line at will and you can't back off him or hill nail a jumper over you. He is as dangerous as any other player in the league.

Also worth mentioning is his spectacular defense. He proved in the playoffs, when guarding Joe Johnson, Lebron James and Kobe Bryant, that he is one of the best defenders in the league. He will go on to have his number retired, and should go down as one of the best Celtcs in history.

CCC, I dont get your argument...you're not arguing whether or not the jersey will be retired but a common phrase used by everyone (especially media)? Ex: Kobe's title

I get the argument. I've taken these before and lost. Its got obvious written all over it. To argue it seriously though - I would have simply pointed out that he has done nothing for the Celtics until KG arrived to bring him to the promise land.

I'm with Ghost. I don't get it either, CCC. By the way, your saying that Cava is going for an easy win proves that you're going for an easy win as well. In my opinion, this topic is debatable. Some, like TradeAngelos, do NOT believe Pierce is that elite of a player to have his jersey retired.

Nonetheless, I'll hold off on voting and see how this unfolds. CCC could still win me over with his remaining arguments.

I will argue semantics here. Nobody has their jersey retires they moment they themselves retire. The Yankees have the same # retired twice (#8 for Bill Dickey and Yogi Berra) because Yogi was actively wearing #8 when Dickey's was retired. The same thing could happen in Boston- someone could wear #34 before Pierce's jersey is retired. Thus it is possible for someone else to wear #34 after Pierce retires, though possibly unlikely.

As for the whole Pierce did nothing without KG, he led the Celtics to the East Finals in 2002 with Antoine Walker as his sidekick. He's not a top 10 player, but he's certianly top 20. And I do believe that will be good enough to win the title. I'd take that any day.

Excuse me if I don't get caught up in the Pierce love in. I've heard some crazy talk like "He's amongst the 50 best players of all time"....huh?

Excuse me if I don't get caught up in the Pierce love in. I've heard some crazy talk like "He's amongst the 50 best players of all time"....huh?
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 06/16/08, 11:58 AM
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Where the heck did you hear that? I love Pierce, but he isn't that good. One of the best CELTICS of all time, but no players.

Yeah, Armchair, where on Earth did you hear that?

Favre Fan, that's a good point. Maybe a better title for this throwdown would have been "Paul Pierce's jersey #34 will be retired and hung in the rafters."

TD was would his jersey be retired... you agreed ... bad TD to accept and basically agree...vote left

Vote left for the sheer reason that right just took this to be a smart-****.

RandomCaribou | 06/16/08, 10:10 AM

Idiots fits better. Vote left.

Vote left. Challenger didn't even make an attempt to counterpoint the main issue and instead used the soapbox to throw a tantrum about fishing for easy TD wins.

Where the heck did you hear that? I love Pierce, but he isn't that good. One of the best CELTICS of all time, but no players.

TheSportsGuy: USA! | 06/16/08, 12:06 PM

Yeah, Armchair, where on Earth did you hear that?

G.O.A.T. | 06/16/08, 12:09 PM


It was the general consensus of the 30-ish Celtics fans who were at the bar I was at last night...I just shook my head the whole time and it seemed to make them more steel-like in their resolve.

I agree that he isn't a top 50 player in NBA wholeheartedly. I have to separate that idea from my argument.

Cowboys-Celtics-ChiSox said that basketball more than any other sport requires a team effort to win I agree that basketball requires a team effort but football requires much more.

It was the general consensus of the 30-ish Celtics fans who were at the bar I was at last night...I just shook my head the whole time and it seemed to make them more steel-like in their resolve.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 06/16/08, 02:25 PM
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lol, celtics homers... gotta love em.... oh wait, i'm a celtics homer!!! haha... but at least i'm a celtics homer and a knowledable sports fan...