G.O.A.T. said 06/16, 11:24 AM
Would you pick a small forward who averaged 17 points, 6 rebounds, and 2 assists per game in THE TOP TEN? I wouldn't.
Would you pick (in the top ten) a junior in college who only had ONE good year? I wouldn't.
Would you pick an athletic, yet poor shooting and sometimes out-of-control small forward in the top ten of the NBA Draft? I wouldn't.
That's my point. Joe Alexander has only had one good year. For all we know, it could have been a fluke. Yes, he's athletic, but that's about it. He ballhawks and doesn't play good, sound, fundamental defense. You'll get killed in the NBA for that kind of stuff. His poor defensive habits also causes him to be in foul trouble sometimes. With a top ten pick, wouldn't you want a more fundamental and a more disciplined player? I know I would.
Honestly, this guy is on my bust list. He's a projected top ten pick, yet there are so many question marks and small problems with this kid. It all adds up and I would much rather have someone else. Why take a piece of pizza when you can have the whole tray?
In my opinion, Westbrook, Gallinari, and Gordon are all better picks in the top ten than Alexander.
Your turn, Denis.
Denis24: Dream > Redeem said 06/16, 10:26 PM
GOAT, Joe Alexander is on your "bust list," but he is also most analysts "sleeper pick."
Joe Alexander has tremedous potential with his athleticism and upper body strength. After his workouts in Las Vegas, he has impressed so many GMs around the league.
I agree that Eric Gordon is a better selection than Alexander, but Westbrook and Gallinari aren't there yet. Gallinari hasn't even played college while Westbrook, on the other hand, was a 3rd or 4th option at times for that team.
The reason he is so eager to steal the basketball is because his intensity level is so high. And he doesn't have as bad as a jump shot as you think. He has excellent touch around the rim while you can use his polished turnaround jumper going both ways as a great weapon on the floor. The best part is that his midrange shot is acctually improving!
In my opinion, Alexander is behind Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Bayless, Love, Randolph, Gordon, and Brook Lopez. for 9th on my list. His talent is just to good to pass up on.
G.O.A.T. said 06/17, 10:02 AM
I'm sorry, but someone with athleticism and upper body strength does NOT give me reason enough to take him with a top ten pick. Let's compare Westbrook and Alexander for a moment since Gallinari wouldn't be all too fair with European stats.
Westbrook: 13 pts, 4 ast, 4 reb, 2 stl, 34% 3P, 47% FG
Alexander: 17 pts, 2 ast, 6 reb, 1 stl, 27% 3P, 46% FG
What Wesbrook loses in points, he makes up for in assists. Alexander is +4 on pts, yet has 2 (x2=4 pts) less on assists. This top ten pick of yours can't hit the broad side of the barn from three-point range in COLLEGE, let alone in the NBA where the line is moved back farther.
Next, for all that intensity that Alexander plays with, you think he would be more active getting steals, right? Well, he's not. FG% is even more remarkable since Alexander attacks the rim most of the time. However, he gets reckless which help causes his bad shooting percentage.
Alexander finished a game with four or five fouls on FOURTEEN different occasions. Don't I want someone who will actually stay in the game?
You also can't forget Alexander's INCOSISTENCY in scoring. He was held to single digits EIGHT times. That just can't happen.NoMoreRoom
Denis24: Dream > Redeem said 06/18, 10:10 AM
Forfeited Turn
G.O.A.T. said 06/18, 10:22 AM
Since you failed to argue, I will just continue mine.
Next I'll address his turnover issues. He gives the ball away more than twice per game. His assist-to-turnover ratio is a paltry 1.1/1, barely breaking even.
Personally, I could even see Donte Greene of Syracuse as a better pick than Alexander. Here is the stat comparison:
Alexander: 17 pts, 2 ast, 6 reb, 1 stl, 2 blk, 27% 3P, 46% FG
Greene: 18 pts, 2 ast, 7 reb, 1 stl, 2 blk, 35% 3P, 42% FG
Although Greene doesn't shoot as well from the field (because he attempts to shoot more, instead of just trying to dunk of penetration), he scores a point more, grabs a rebound more, and shoots MUCH better from deep than Alexander.
However, Greene is projected from late lottery to late first round. How is that possible? Some would mentio the potential Alexander has and maybe even his athleticism that would benefit him at the next level. Well, that's not the case. Using NBADraft.net as a source...
Alexander: 10 athleticism rating, 9 potential rating
Greene: 8 athleticism, 9 potential
The little bit that Donte loses in athleticism, he makes up for in his versatility and length.
Alexander is NOT worth a top 10 pick.
Denis24: Dream > Redeem said 06/18, 06:06 PM
Donta Greene isn't even close to Alexander. Greene settles to much, such as shooting fade away 3-pointers instead of attacking the basket. Greene also shot nearly twice as many 3-pointers as free-throws, which really doesn't help his case as a NBA star.
So, who DO you have as your deserving of a top 10 pick?
Well, according to NBAdraft.net.....
Alexander: 8 defense, 8 NBA ready
Greene: 6 defense, 6 NBA ready
I would take Alexander without hesitation when I see that. Plus, Alexander can play multiple positions, anywhere from SG, SF, or PF.
When you take college stats and compare them, it's totally different than NBA stats. There's different compitition and different conferences. There have been great college players that haven't been even decent NBA players because of their inability to play defense and lack of strength and quickness (AKA J.J. Redick). Sometimes, being good in college just can't help you there.
Alexander got the quickness (rated 8 on NBAdraf.net), size (8), strength I(8), and defense (8) to succeed in the NBA.
Good luck GOAT.
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And, by the way, people, his user name is no coincidence. haha. It's just an example of what happens when you're a homer.
G.O.A.T. | 06/16/08, 11:25 AM
Report Offensive CommentThat forfieted turn hurts. But also, there are some key points about Alexander that weren't addressed. Based on args, gotta go left.
I'm not sure he's top 10, but Alexander's talent wasn't realized until Huggins arrived. Beilein was a great coach, but totally the wrong type for Alexander. He needed a guy like Huggins.
He's got big potential.
Porkins: Pisses Excellence | 06/18/08, 06:16 PM
Report Offensive CommentYou dont take a sleeper in the top 10.
Cassidy's House: Smoke>Fire | 06/18/08, 06:39 PM
Report Offensive CommentYou're exactly right, Cass. You take a sleeper in the mid to late first round at best. There is no such thing as a sleeper taken in the top ten.
Denis, I agree with you on strength and quickness being much more vital in the NBA than in college. However, both Donte Greene and Russell Westbrook are strong and quick. Therefore, your rebuttal is irrelevant. Also, for every good college player that sucks in the NBA, there is a good college player who is great at the next level.
Your forfeited turn also came back to bite you in the ****. You did NOT refute ONE thing I said in my second argument.
G.O.A.T. | 06/18/08, 07:55 PM
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djroxalot loves TD'ing | 06/19/08, 11:23 AM
Report Offensive CommentYEAH! GO TWO OREGONIANS, A DOOKIE, AND A TAR HEEL! (damn, shoulda made a catchier name)
Anyway, too bad this TD only got a couple views. Denis made two VERY good arguments.
G.O.A.T. | 06/19/08, 08:37 PM
Report Offensive CommentThanks GOAT.
Denis24: Dream > Redeem | 06/19/08, 09:12 PM
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