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  • June 19, 2008 04:03 PM ET

The Mitt MLB TD Tournament - How Many AL West Teams Will Finish Above .500?

'Ey Capernicus (12-12-4) vs Mike4redsox: So long guys (61-71-16)
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I believe two teams will be above .500 in the AL West at the end of this season; the Angels and the A's.

Angels - The Angel's pitching staff has been phenomenal. They are sixth in the AL in ERA, 9th in opponent's BA, 1st in saves and 5th in WHIP. The hitting has been decent, but the base running is something to brag about. They are 3rd in the AL with 56 steals. Now Chone Figgins is back from his injury and the Angels are ready to roll. Also, they're fielding has been great.

Oakland - The A's have been a surprising team so far, but I think they will keep it up. Their pitching has been incredible. They are the best in both opponent's batting average and OPS and second in ERA and WHIP. Their hitting, like the Angels, was decent, but the pitching will certainly keep them doing well.

Rangers - Right now the Rangers are only one game under .500, but I don't think they can keep it up. Their hitting has been great, but the pitching will bring them down. They are 14th in the AL in ERA, opponent's OPS, WHIP and QS while being 13th in opposing BA. This season they have scored 403 runs, but have given up 21 more than that!

Mariners - Worst record in MLB. Bad hitting and pitching.


I only think 1 team will finish .500 or better. That team would be the Angels, who have been consistent throughout the year.

There are a couple reasons I think the A's will not finish .500 or better:

One is because of their offense. They rank 13th in the AL in Batting Average, 9th in Runs scored, 12th in Home Runs, 10th in RBI's, and 12th in SB's. As you can see, their offense isn't up to tempo as it needs to be. Their best hitter is hitting .268, they only have one player with 10 or more home runs, and have no players with more than RBI's, they need some offensive support if they want to finish .500.

Another reason is that they are only 8-13 against division opponents. If they want to succeed this year, their #1 priority should be to finish .500 in their own division.

Yet another reason is that they have a tough schedule ahead of them. After the series with the D-Backs, the A's have 14 series(including the Halos) against teams with winning records as of right now. They also have 11 series against division opponents, who of course they aren't doing very well against right now.

The key thing for them is to get their offense gong, if they can't do that their under.500


You bring up the fact that the A's are not great on offense, but the Angels aren't very good either. The Angels are 10th in average, 11th in runs, 12th in OBP, 10th in SLG% and 12th in OPS. The A's are BETTER than the Angels in runs! Also, the A's have just as good, if not better, pitching. If you say the A's won't win because of hitting, why would the Angels? The Angels only have two players with ten or more home runs, not much better than th A's.

The Angels give up more homers than they hit! It's the other way around in Oakland!

Your argument is misleading; if the A's don't reach .500 because of hitting, neither should the Angels.

Of the remaining 11 series within the division, four are against Seattle. Already this season, they have only faced the Mariners, who are last in their division, in five games! It looks like some more wins inside the division for the A's later this season.

There are 14 series against above .500 opponents, that leaves 9 against opponents below .500 and 3 against the Rangers, who are .500. Not too bad considering two of those 14 series are against a team just one game above .500, the Twins and 1 against the Orioles, just 2 games over .500.


The Angels are actually playing well against their division. They are 13-8 against West opponents so far. They actually know that to go .500 they have to do well against their own division.

Plus they also have a couple hitters over a .268 batting average. Actually they have 6 guys who play regularly over .268. They also have 5 guys with more than 30 RBI's compared to the Angels' 3 guys. Also here are the Top 5 Home Run Leaders for each team:

Oakland
Jack Cust-11
Mark Ellis-8
Emil Brown-5
Bobby Crosby-4
Frank Thomas-4

Angels
Vlads-10
Mike Napoli-10
Torri Hunter-9
Casey Kotchman-7
Gary Matthews Jr.-7

So you see that the Angels are getting much more help from most of their team, instead of just 3 or 4 guys like the A's are doing.

They also have one of the best starting rotations in the MLB

Joe Saunders-10-3, 3.06 ERA
Ervin Santana-8-3, 3.40
Jon Garland-6-4. 4.06
John Lackey-4-1, 1.73
Jeff Weaver-6-7, 4.73

Compared to the Oakland rotation

Justin Duscherer-7-4, 2.08 ERA
Rich Harden-4-0, 2.53
Dana Eveland-5-5, 3.56
Greg Smith-4-5, 3.62
Joe Blanton-3-10, 4.81

The Angels starters have a better combined record.

More in next argument.


I never said anything about the Angels not playing well in the West.

You are turning this into an argument about who is better. We all know that the Angels are better and we all know the Angels hit better. Nothing about your argument shows that the A's will not be a .500 team, only that the Angels are better.

You brought up the point that the Angel's starters have a better combined record. Wins are an overrated stat for a pitcher because their can be no decisions and run support is a factor. ERA is much more important than wins. And the A's rotation is clearly better in that category.

Pitching wins games. You, as a Red Sox fan, should know that after watching Beckett pitch in the playoffs last season. The A's are just a better team pitching-wise and that is why they will stay above .500. Sure their hitting is lacking, but many teams have finished above.500 by riding their pitching staff. Look at the Tigers; they had a potent offense, but no pitching. Now their pitching picks up, hitting follows, and they are winning.

4 of Oakland's 5 starters have an ERA below4, that's impressive. Hitting comes and goes and once the A's start hitting they will go on a tear.


Right now, I see two A's pitchers that have done well so far this year. Other than that, two others are average, and one is weak. Two solid pitchers won't get you a record of .500 for the whole year. And right now, unless some of the other guys on the staff start coming through and pitch well, the A's rotation won't be good enough to make .500.

Yes with good pitching comes great hitting, but that hasn't exactly happened yet for the A's now has it. I'm now saying it's happened for the Angels either, but unless it doesn't happen prior to the All-Star break, Oakland can kiss this season goodbye.

You say that the A's have only played the M's 5 times, but their record in those 5 games is 2-3, 2 of those losses coming at home. Their record against the Rangers, who they also play a lot in August and September, is 3-6. Again if the A's don't start beating division opponents, there's no way they finish .500 at the end of the year.

So to finish .500 the A's need to start generating runs, play well against division opponents, and keep up their pitching. If they don''t do all of these things it's going to be a very tough uphill battle to finish .500

June 19, 2008  05:33 PM ET

oops, *none of their players have more than 40 RBI's* my bad

June 19, 2008  05:35 PM ET

great opening argument, Mikeblahblahblah. will have to say how this one turns out

June 19, 2008  05:55 PM ET

as of right now. well there are many pretenders. other then that statement your first argument is flawless, bote to right.

June 19, 2008  06:24 PM ET

The Angels are really the only good team in the West. The A's may settle in right around .500, but i really don't think so with the pieces they have.

June 19, 2008  08:26 PM ET

Flawless? You mean besides the fact that the A's are only slightly worse than the Angels in hitting?

 
June 19, 2008  08:28 PM ET

oops, *none of their players have more than 40 RBI's* my bad

Mike4redsox:It's CWS Time | 06/19/08, 05:33 PM
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Umm, the Angel's leader in RBIs is Vladdy with 37...

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