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Cheezhead: Is Most Likely Gone said 06/19, 05:02 PM
Well that means I have to go with hitting.

You're absolutely right. The Mets have the names. David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran, and others make the Mets lineup a killer list. But just because they have the names doesn't mean they are putting up the stats.

Ryan Church, for example, is the only Met who has played in 50 games that has a batting average over .300. That includes Jose Reyes, who is a big part of the team. Reyes is a huge energy and run-source for NYM, and if he can't bat .300 and get on base a lot, they won't be scoring as much as they should.

Lets steer away from contact hitting and go to the big bats. David Wright is the only Met with more than 10 homeruns. His 12 homeruns is only good enough for 37th in the MLB. The second-place holders in homeruns on the team don't even get in the Top 50 names.

And now for the thing that wins games: runs. You need runs on the scoreboard to win a baseball games. And that isn't happening after the top of the line. Only Beltran and Wright are in the Top 50 for RBI. After that the numbers just die out.

Sure, the pitchers could help, but you need runs to win. And the Mets aren't getting enough of them

Cheezhead: Is Most Likely Gone said 06/19, 10:09 PM
Runs mean A LOT, good pitching or not.

As easy as it sounds, you aren't going to win every game 1-0. The only pitcher the Mets can even think of shutting out a team is Johan Santana. That doesn't mean they don't have pitching, not at all, because ALL teams have pitchers that will give up a few runs per long start. No teams have five aces in their rotation. Some have two, some have one. So the Mets are around the norm there.

So you can't assume that the hitters only have to get one run. In fact, all teams have to expect at least a few runs to win a game.


"No matter how big of a lead, pitching could give it all up. That's why you need pitching, so you don't give games away."

We aren't dealing with absolutes here. I could easily say without hitting, pitching doesn't matter. If you don't score you can't win. But I know that the Mets have at least some hitting right now. Just like they have at least some pitching. They can keep big leads, believe me.

This isn't a matter of if they have the "big names" at hitting or not. We are talking about what they need more of. And they need more hitting from those big names.

1) They are expected to do that.
2) NYM needs it.

Cheezhead: Is Most Likely Gone said 06/20, 09:39 PM
Wait-wait-wait...

If I confused you, I'm sorry, but I meant that the Mets have the names and the talent to have good hitting. But they aren't hitting right now, and they NEED more hitting. Okay?


"Johan Santana isn't living up to expectations in NY"

WHAT? Please tell me that was a typo. Johan is 7-5. He has the most wins out of ANY Mets pitcher this year. Sure, those five losses are stingers, but half of them were because of no run support, otherwise known as the Mets LACKING IN HITTING.

He also has a 3.04 ERA, which is good enough for fourth on the team and the lowest ERA out of all starting pitchers on the Mets. Johan also has 91 strikeouts, highest on the whole team and 21 more (which equals 7 straight innings of strikeouts) than the second-place pitcher, John Maine.

"Like you said, they have the names that are hitting and performing."

I said they have the names. But those names are NOT performing.


The Mets need more runs to win.