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Goodell: B-B-Bird is the word said 06/20, 05:16 PM
Ok....Dr. Z says the Vikes will make the SB. I strongly disagree.....I say they WILL NOT make the SB.
Dont take this TD unless you can finish it in 1 and a 1/2 hours
DIsagree??? Bring it
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 06/20, 05:38 PM
This will be incredibly hard, but why not?
Last year, the Vikings were a legitimate playoff contender. Not a Super Bowl contender, but a playoff one. Their shortcomings were at DE, WR and SS. They couldn't get any sacks, so they got Jared Allen. He may be a little overrated, but he isn't your average DE. He LED THE LEAGUE in sacks, while getting double-teamed. Imagine him on a line with the Williams'. His numbers have the potential to increase.
They couldn't catch the ball, so they got a WR. Berrian is overrated, overpaid and has too high expectations. But he is an upgrade, and he can catch better than the previous guys. Don't forget about Sidney Rice. He has more experience and a veteran WR to help him out. Combined, they will catch passes, and force defenses to play the pass more. This will allow AD to do what he does, and maybe even better.
At S, Madieu Williams will have a bigger impact than thought. Smith was AWFUL against the pass, and that is his strength. He will help GREATLY against the pass.
Jackson is going into his third year. This is the year that guys break out, and he will improve. He is 8-4 as a starter, and finally has WR's; he will be be much better.
Goodell: B-B-Bird is the word said 06/20, 05:43 PM
"Jackson is going into his third year. This is the year that guys break out, and he will improve. He is 8-4 as a starter, and finally has WR's; he will be be much better. "
LMFAO.....hahahahah...Let me count the ways that the VIKES will not make the SB
1) They lost Tony Richardson - Full Backs usually are not a huge loss, but when they are the caliber of RIchardson, its a HUGE LOSS. He was just as much responesable for the success of the running game as Hutch and company
2) They lost Spencer Johnson - Who?? He was the 3rd DT in the rotation for the Vikes. He racked up 22 tackles, 3 sacks and a FF. The #3 and #4 DT's on the Vikes Roster had 9 tackles and 3 tackles respectivley, if you can respect a total of 3 tackles from your DT
3) They have Tavaris Jackson - usually players get better the longer they are in the NFL. Not true with Jackson who has 11 career TD's and 16 career INTS. You can that the D and Peterson for Jackson's 8-4 record
4) They signed Bernard Berrian - I dont know who is worse....RIce, Wade, or Berrian. Id say that Bernard Berrian is the best WR on the team. That is NOT a compliment
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 06/20, 05:59 PM
Tony Richardson was good, but he is 36. They brought in Thomas Tapeh who is just 28. He blocked for Brian Westbrook, he did alright didn't he? He isn't as known as Richardson, but he is a very respectable player.
Yes, they lost a backup, who backs up TWO ALL-PRO DT's.Fred Evans isn't as good, but he has looked impressive. They will be able to manage without a backup.
Jakcson improved his QB rating, TD's, yards and completion %. He is getting better and is going into his third year, when guys typically breakout. He had help, but he is 8-4 as a starter. He wasn't giving away the games. Now, he has an improved receiving corps.
Berrian caught 71 passes for 951 yards and 5 TD's.
Rice caught 31 passes for 396 yards and 4 TD's.
Troy Williamson caught 18 passes for 240 yards and 1 TD.
Rice gave them production as a rookie and will only get better. Berrian is a veteran WR who can step in and catch passes. You better believe that he is HUGE upgrade over Troy Williamson.
But if Peterson was responsible for Jackson's wins, why would that change? AD was a rookie who had some injuries. He is at full-strength and has the ability to improve. He can take pressure off, and be a huge asset.
Goodell: B-B-Bird is the word said 06/20, 06:18 PM
You can pick up 13 FB's in the 3rd round of the NFL Draft. The problem is you get the Tony R's and Lorenzo Neal's very, very rarley. Your more likely to find a franchise RB, than a full time blocking FB
"Yes, they lost a backup, who backs up TWO ALL-PRO DT's.Fred Evans isn't as good, but he has looked impressive. They will be able to manage without a backup."
WHY do you think the Vikes D line was so good last season? It was the DEPTH that was behind the Williams boys that made it easier for them to take a break. They knew they could sit out a few plays and the production of the DL wouldnt drop that dramaticly. However, seeing how the backups had a combined 13 tackles last season, the trust wont be there. Heck, thats less than a tackle PER GAME for thier subs. Look at ANY successful team...Its not about having the BEST OF THE BEST, its about having one or 2 good guys at a spot and a bunch of good players behind them for depth.
"Jakcson improved his QB rating, TD's, yards and completion %. He is getting better and is going into his third year, when guys typically breakout."
Bull Crap!! The only reason his stats went up is he PLAYED 8 MORE GAMES than the year before.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 06/20, 06:33 PM
Richardson was good, but he is older. Tapeh is young, and good. He blocked for Brian Westbrook and he had a great year, so why can't he block for AD?
Yes, the defensive line lost Spencer Johnson, but they picked up Jared Allen. I know they play different positions, but I think that an All-Pro defensive end can replace a backup defensive tackle. Since Allen is so good coming off the edge, he will make up for some of what Johnson did. Yes, backups make a difference. But the Vikings have two of the ten best defensive tackles in the entire NFL.
Haha, that did help. But my point is that Jackson IS improving. I can't stress enough that he is now in his third year, which is the typical breakout year for NFL players. He finally has a decent receiving core, which will help a lot.
The pass defense was bad, they got Allen and WIlliams, both are big upgrades.
The receiving was bad, they got Berrian, who is a huge upgrade.
AD is healthy. Jackson is improving. The OL is great. The WR's got better. The LB's are good with Henderson and Greenway. The CB's are fine with Winfield an McCauley. The defensive line is GREAT. Everything combined, it could very well happen.
Great throwdown, Goodell
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No one's gonna take this td unless they want a loss, man. You should have made a td arguing whether or not Dr. Z is senile.
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I'd like to see it happen, but it won't.
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You know what? I'll give this a try :)
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0x...didn't we tell you not to take homer TDs?
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0x...do I need to show a picture of an uphill battle?
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They won't even win the division!
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Neither did the Giants.
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both their heads would explode from the mental stress...
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The vikings have a great o-line & D-line. They have crap for WRs, and dont expect AP do do as good without richardson and people will key on him this year,
And They have A HORRIBLE secondary. Williams wont help much.
They stillhave to win the Division.
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Peter King is my homie......Except for he didnt ensure Cirs Carter's HOF induction. If I was on HBO's NFL show with a guy on the HOF ballot, I would do what I could to make sure my homie got inducted
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So FanMan.....You think the Vikes will make the SB???
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I agree with Porkins, SI sure can find 'em.
'em= IDIOTS
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I respect 0x for taking such a chance and making a good argument out of it. He gets my vote
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The Vikes??? Wow. Dr. Z must be bored.
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I respect 0x for taking such a chance and making a good argument out of it. He gets my vote
EO | 06/20/08, 06:05 PM
NO....He gets your vote cause you took this TD but couldnt argue it, so you declined it. THATS why he get's your vote
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