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Pro Triangle Tourney:Round 2:Dyhard Vs Philly:MLB:Pick A Player That You Believe Will Tall Off Considerably By The End Of The Season
Dyhard:Homecoming Week said 06/22, 02:18 PM
I'm going to pick a player from the Chicago Cubs. He originally was the closer, but Kerry Wood took his spot. Now he is a starting pitcher and has been doing well this year, but will fall off for the rest of the year.
His name is Ryan Dempster.
He has pitched well this year with a record of 8-2, with a ERA of 2.76. He has a career record of 67-77 and a career ERA of 4.68.
He doesn't pitch well and hasn't had a good ERA in years, as when he was a closer last year he had a 4.73 ERA. The last time he was a starter he had a wonderful ERA of 6.54. In 2002, when he started all the games he pitched in, he had an ERA of 5.38.
His best ERA ever was in 2005 as a closer with a 3.13 ERA. He has had a 3.66 ERA as a starter and that is his best ever.
He isn't a good pitcher, and he isn't going to fall off considerably. Looking at past years, it shows that he just gives up too much runs which hurts him and his team.
Opponents have a .262 BA and a .353 OBP batting against Dempster in his career.
In 2006 he has an ERA of 4.80 as a closer.
He tends to keep his ERA, as a starter, in the high 4s to mid 6s. He isn't a good pitcher, and isn't consistent at all. He'll fall.
Philly-- www.sportsnoise.com said 06/22, 10:06 PM
My pick plays for the Cleveland Indians. At the start of the season not many picked him to have the season that he is having, especially with career numbers like 4.39 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, and a .262 BAA. But yet he seems to be having a very good year, after a ridiculously hot start, with a 2.45 ERA, 1.08 WHIP but things seem to be slowing down already.
His name is Clifton Phifer Lee, also know as Cliff Lee...
Lee is a talented pitcher but their is no way that he can keep up this amazing pace that he is on. Eventually things will start to catch up with him as recent stats show.
In the first month of the season, April, Lee posted a .96 ERA and just 5 runs in 37IP. In May he had a 2.88 ERA while allowing 12 runs in 34.1IP. So far in June he has a 4.18 ERA and has already allows 11 runs in just 23.2IP.
Those numbers show me that he is already slowing down from his blistering pace and is just getting back to his career numbers.
Cliff Lee reverting back to his career numbers after such an amazing start will be the biggest drop off any player in the MLB.
Dyhard:Homecoming Week said 06/23, 05:18 PM
Good choice...but Cliff Lee is still 10-1 and is doing very well. He is also really driving this team that doesn't give much help to him.
Ryan Dempster gets a lot of run support, but he is going to falter as recent years have showed. He has had a horrible ERA in years before, and just look at his ERAs. They are horrible. Why should this year be any different? It shouldn't. It is going to be the same as normal.
Right now...Cliff Lee's stats are this: 10-1/2.45 ERA/79 SO/1.08 WHIP
He is a great player, and he has kept good stats this far, even after that blistering start.
Ryan Dempster is going to cool after a lot more than Cliff Lee is. Look at Dempster's ERA from years past. He had a 4.50+ ERA as a closer the last two years, he had 5+ ERA numerous times as a starter.
Lee might be already going down...but it is from this point RIGHT NOW...not from the beginning of the season.
Ryan Dempster has sucked years before...even as a closer. Now he is a starter, and the last time he was a starter he didn't have a good ERA and why should this year be any different? He might have a good record, but his ERA is going to suck.
He will tail off the most this year.
Philly-- www.sportsnoise.com said 06/23, 07:57 PM
Cliff Lee has been very good, so has Dempster but you kind of made an argument for me. Lee doesn't get much run support, the Indians offense has really struggled this year, therefore it is more likely that when he starts to get back to his normal stats he will suffer more losses and have a big drop off in wins. Dempster has the luck of playing on a GREAT offensive team, this will still allow him to pick up wins even if he is giving up 4+ runs or so.
Lee is already starting to decline, when talking about this topic the whole season must be included because we are arguing about what has happened so far. You can't say "right now" and not include how they got there.
The reason Lee has kept his stats so good is because of his hot start otherwise he would just be back to his normal self. Take this past month for instance, in 23 inning he has given up 29H, 11 runs, and has a 4.18 ERA. That shows me that he is getting back to the Cliff Lee we used to know, not the new and improved Lee that we saw for a few games.
As of now, Dempster has improved his ERA in each month and has showed no sign of slowing down, he looks like he is getting better.
More on him to come...
Dyhard:Homecoming Week said 06/23, 11:00 PM
All that runs support thing means is that Lee is going to get a worse record than Dempster is.
Dempster, when he returns to his normal ways of giving up 4+ runs a game, he is not going to do that well, and get wins. He just won't, even though the Cubs might still score for him, he just won't win games that way.
Dempster is going to have a big rise in ERA as Lee's ERA will remain about the same, maybe go up a little.
Lee might be declining a little bit, but Dempster is going to have the biggest drop of for the remaining of the season at the record and point that he is at RIGHT NOW. Lee will drop, but Dempster will drop more.
Dempster isn't good...he isn't consistent, and that is going to be a problem. Plus, he is going to lose wins with the closer he has and the ERA Wood has.
Lee is probably just having a bad month. Every pitcher has a bad month...so unless next month is like this, he won't decrease too much.
Dempster is good one start, but can be completely terrible the next. He is inconsisten and that is what is going to bring him down.
He will have a the biggest drop in stats by the end of the season, bigger than Cliff Lee's drop.
Philly-- www.sportsnoise.com said 06/24, 09:47 PM
Sorry for the delay...
"All that runs support thing means is that Lee is going to get a worse record than Dempster is."
You are correct, this will cause Lee to have a worse record, that definately fits into the biggest fall out by the end of the season.
"Dempster is going to have a big rise in ERA as Lee's ERA will remain about the same, maybe go up a little."
This goes against what current stats have shown, so far Dempster ERA has gone from 3.16 in April, 2.35 in May, and 2.3 in June. It seems that he is getting better.
Lee may be having a bad month but it is not a good sign that he is having a bad month so early in the season. What makes you think that the rest of the season is going to get better, he has never had this good of a season.
Dempster has been pretty darn consistent his year. His last 10 starts he has had an ERA no lower than 2.36 no higher than 2.9. In 16 starts he has only had an ERA in the 3's twice. He might have been incosistent in the past but looks very cosistent so far this season.
Cliff Lee will suffer a huge drop off in wins and ERA. Dempster will(as shown be the stats) continue to have success and getter better as the season goes on.
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