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Bigdleech said 06/24, 09:53 PM
1. Rich Rodriguez(Michigan)-Michigan will not be very competitive this season, but three years from now they should be the class of the Big Ten. He is not only a great recruiter, but he is probably the best coach when it comes to an option offense in the nation. He knows how to find and create playmakers.
2. Bobby Petrino(Arkansas)-Say what you will about what he did to the Falcons, but he is one of the best college football minds around. Arkansas may not have the tools to be competitive just yet, but Louisville was just an average program before he got there too.
3. Bo Pelini(Nebraska)-Arguably the best defensive mind in the game, he looks to fix the problem with Nebraska the last few years: the defense. Plus, he should bring them back to the old Nebraska way, the way Tom Osborne did it.
4. Rick Neuheisel(UCLA)-He was a good Pac-10 coach in the past, and he should be able to get the potential out of UCLA's talent that Dorrell never could.
5. David Cutcliffe(Duke)-Sure, he went to one of the worst program's but he has always shown an ability to recruit, and he is a great offensive mind, He was a good coach in the past with Ole Miss, and he really got screwed there.
Porkins said 06/25, 08:18 AM
Thanks to Mike4RedSox for the topic idea.
I'll take:
1. June Jones (SMU)- One of the most underrated coaches in the history of the game is responsible for the single biggest turnaround in Division I-A history. 1 YEAR after taking the reins of a 1-11 hopeless Hawaii team, he led the Warriors to a 9-win season.
SMU, suffering from the "Death Penalty", needs his magic again. The program that once produced greats like Don Meredith, Ray Berry, Eric Dickerson, and Forrest Gregg is ready to ride.
2. Neuheisel (UCLA)- Another underrated guy with the recruiting power and skill to compete with USC.
3. Rodriguez (Michigan)- Great strategic hire
4. Bo Pelini (Nebraska)- Time for the Blackshirts to return to prominence.
5. Paul Johnson (Georgia Tech)- This guy can flat out coach. The only Navy coach to go 6-0 against Army, and the 1st to bring home 4 straight Commander in Chief trophies. After taking Ga Southern to 3 straight I-AA title games and winning two, he moved to I-A where he has been dominant.
Ga Tech has a proud but dormant tradition of winning. Time to bring it back.
I love Cutcliffe, but he misses narrowly- more due to the school than to his ability
Bigdleech said 06/25, 12:47 PM
I personally loved the Jones hire, but I saw him as number six on the list. I agree that SMU needed a high profile coach, but he just isn't a great coach all around. Sure, the man knows his quarterbacks. He can blow up a guy's stats to make him a Heisman contender, but that is all he could do. When his teams played real competition, they couldn't win. Why? No line, and no defense. He could never get them to play well with the big boys, and that is why he didn't have any BCS conference teams looking at him.
Paul Johnson. I see him as a boom or bust coach. The triple option has never been run at such a high level, so we really have no idea how it will work out. There is a very high likelyhood that it will not work out, and you really can't say that a situation like that is a better hire than Petrino or Cutcliffe. And in his first recruiting year, he not only lost good players, but he couldn't pick up any players that should run the option well in college. There is just too much risk with him.
Petrino has to be on there. It had just become a decent program before him, but he made it elite. After an Orange Bowl season with the same players, this team fell to a sorry(for them) 6-6
Porkins said 06/25, 01:08 PM
1. If all Jones can do is manage QBs, then how do you explain an 8-win improvement in ONE year at a school that had zero recruiting power and little history of success? Given what he had to work with in Manoa, what he did is amazing.
2. As a HC, Johnson has a winning % of .733. That's riduclous. At Navy, he's won 61% of his games- at a service academy. Are you kidding?
You use the same old argument against the triple option that has kept Johnson from getting a high profile job before 2008, but the fact is that Johnson is right- Florida, Texas, and other have succeeded (and won 2 titles) specifically BECAUSE they use forms of the triple option.
3. Bobby Petrino is good at one thing: Looking out for himself. John L. Smith built that Louisville program and Petrino merely inherited the talent and recruiting channels.
Prior to Smith's arrival, the previous 5 coaches at UL had losing records. Smith took them to 5 straight bowl games, won back to back CUSA titles, and won 61% of his games. I agree Petrino continued the success, but he does NOT deserve credit for the turnaround.
He DOES deserve credit for switching from college to the NFL to college to the NFL to college and abandoning countless players in his wake.
Arkansas' firing of Houston Nutt was not a good move, and Petrino's hiring was no better. He doesn't belong here.
Bigdleech said 06/25, 01:18 PM
Petrino isn't completely responsible for Louisville's success. But, he turned them into one of the best program's in the nation. His 40-9 record speaks for itself. He finally took this team over the top, and they could have been national champs in 06 without that hiccup at Rutgers. He won the Orange Bowl playing the entire year without his second best player, Michael Bush. People thought so highly of the Kragthorpe hire. He had everyone back. He took a national title contender, and couldn't even get them back to a bowl. While he may have not created the foundation, Petrino turned Louisville into a skyscraper, and his players couldn't do it without him
Jones did a good job in Hawaii, but this past team was supposed to be his best ever. Why then, couldn't his best team ever do anything but throw the ball. If he was such a great coach, why were they so flat in every area but the passing game? In fact, they threw screens to preserve their leads at the end of a game
Tech has a good history, but it hasn't been their in a while. Florida and Texas had both had recent success when they won their titles, so they could still recruit. Elite players just don't want to come to Tech anymore
Porkins said 06/25, 01:33 PM
"Elite players just don't want to come to Tech anymore"
Oh...so they should just give up and say "oh well, we can't compete anymore"?
No. You go and get a guy like Paul Johnson who masterminded the #1 rushing offense in the NATION to come in and get your program back on track.
If he did what he did with the level of athletic talent available at a service academy, imagine what he can do in the ACC.
As for Petrino, he built off of someone else's success. Period. And now he's in the SEC. The SEC is NOT the Big East or CUSA. Assuming he doesn't cut and run on this contract too, we'll see what kind of coach he really is. He just doesn't belong in the top 5.
But Jones does. You criticize his teams in Hawaii, but look where he was. Their nearest competitor was 6-8 hours away. By PLANE! So little to work with and yet he created a BCS team in the WAC!
That doesn't impress you? Unprecedented success at a school that size on an island chain with a total population less than that of Philadelphia alone?
How can you call that team flat? They fell short against elites like Georgia, but Hawaii has been one of the most exciting teams in football in recent years.
Thanks to Jones.
Bottom line- wherever you put him, Junes Jones HAS to be on this list.
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This was tough.
Bigdleech
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And I have a feeling I will get ripped for putting Cutcliffe on there.
Bigdleech
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this is one of the better machups I've seen in a while...
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West Monroe, LA
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Actually Bigdleech, Porkins and I did this td, maybe like a week ago? And we both had Cutcliffe, I had June Jones on there as well.
Mike4redsox: Is…
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I'm looking forward to how this goes down
Mike4redsox: Is…
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He told me he wanted to try this one again.
Bigdleech
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Yeah, Mike and I never got to finish ours, and I regretted leaving Paul Johnson off. So I thought it'd be good to do it up for the tourney.
Porkins
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I'm thinking this is going to end like 12-3 you.
Bigdleech
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Why? Your arguments are good. I think this was a great TD.
Porkins
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Bobby Petrino is good at one thing: Looking out for himself. John L. Smith built that Louisville program and Petrino merely inherited the talent and recruiting channels.
That got me there Leech- I don;t like the Jones Hire- but I wouldn;t hire BP if he worked for free and cut the grass on the feild with a push mower
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He is a bad man, but he is a good coach. Forget the Falcons crap, he never should have been there in the first place.
Bigdleech
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I gotta go June Jones. And I can't give it to Petrino. Yeah, he's a good college coach, but he burned the Falcons...while he was a coach. He'll jump ship real quick if he can.
RobertMenn-MerlinsMi…
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You can't forget the Falcons. That's part of the man's character. Severely flawed if you ask me. His word is worth about as much as spit.
RobertMenn-MerlinsMi…
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Great arguments by both...but I'm going to have to give my vote to Porky.
Great TD you two.
Dyhard:Homecoming…
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That Neuheisel is on both of your lists makes my stomach churn.
The Ram
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Ouch D
(Cincy)
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That Neuheisel is on both of your lists makes my stomach churn.
The Ram | 06/25/08, 01:55 PM
With love?
Porkins
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Owned in the face steven.Owned,totally owned.Sorry to say,easy vote to Porkins.
(Cincy)
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Owned in the face? You are one sick little boy.
Bigdleech
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Hate to see such a great TD be so lopsided but I have to agree with Porkins. Bigd you took the big names but Porkins convinced me that his guys were better.
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