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  • June 28, 2008 12:25 PM ET

Best pick in the 2nd Round of the 2008 NBA Draft.

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I pre-chose with my opponent. I chose Chirs-Douglas Roberts from Memphis who went 40th overall to the New Jersey Nets, and he selected Mario Chalmers from Kansas who went 34th overall to the Minnesota Timberwolves, but was later traded to the Miami Heat.

These two players met in the NCAA Tourney Finals, where Kansas pulled off a late comeback and won it in OT. CDR scored 22 to Chalmers' 18.

They were both juniors last year as they entered the NBA Draft. CDR was projected to go late in the 1st round but he dropped into the 2nd round.

Some stats from their Junior years (CDR first):

PPG: 18.1 vs. 12.8 (CDR)
APG: 1.8 vs. 4.3 (Chalmers)
RPG: 4.1 vs. 3.1 (CDR)
FG%: 54.1 vs. 51.6 (CDR)

CDR is the better all-around player, but he's the better PICK because he fits the needs of the Nets perfectly. The Nets needed someone to back-up Vince Carter, and potentially become the starting SG in the future.

Chalmers went to the Heat (my opponent stated he will argue him on the Heat) but he's not a perfect fit. He's not a true PG, and that's what the Heat truly needed in this draft. If he starts he won't be accustome to the PG position.

You're up PhillyEagles.


Good Luck Dudeman.

As already stated my pick is Mario Chalmers who ended up with the Miami Heat. This is another great player that the Heat landed after getting Beasley in the first round.

Chalmers does fit what the Heat need and he is a true PG. He played PG for Kansas and when he was being recruited he was considered the best PG in his recruiting class. So your qualms about him not knowing the position are false. He will be a good PG and does not have to learn to play a new position.

While they did meet in the NCAA tourny championship and CDR scored more points it was Chalmers who left his imprint on the game. Securing himself a spot in history with his dramatic game tying 3pt. shot to push the game into overtime.

Chalmers too was expected to be taken in the first round and slid into the early part of the second round.

CDR leads in points FG% by a little bit but that is expected considering he plays the Shooting Guard position. The rebound stats are good for both.

Chalmers fits the Heat and Pat Riley perfectly he plays very good defense(Big 12 All defensive team), he can shoot and pass efficiently, and has proven to be a winner.


He's listed as a guard...and even if he will play PG for the Heat, 4.3 APG isn't great.

The Heat won the NBA Championship in the '05-'06 season because of their offense. They scored 100 PPG (99.9) in the regular season and gave up 96 a game. In the postseason, the differential remained around 4 in the postseason.

I know many say "Defense wins championships" but the Heat proved that wrong, and if they want to return to championship status they need to pick up the pace on the offensive side of the ball. Last year they averaged 91.4 PPG. Sure they need defense, but offense should be the first priority.

CDR can bring scoring to a team that desperately needs it. The Nets scored just 95.8 PPG last season, and with their leading scorer Richard Jefferson traded to the Bucks earlier that day and needed to pick up a scorer in this draft. They got exactly that when they drafted CDR with the 40th overall pick.

He's also a better pick because he will have time to mature and he will learn a lot from veteran Vince Carter, while Chalmers will be thrust into the starting point guard role. He won't have time to learn and won't be as effective as CDR in 5 years.


He was recruited as a PG, not just as a guard. For college 4.3apg is not the bad. Last year the leader in all of college averaged 8apg. That isn't that much either.

Why does the Heat's Championship stats matter? That was 2 seasons ago. With Wade, Marion, Beasley, and Haslem there will be no problem putting points on the board. And they will be no slouch on D with Marion, Haslem, Wade, and now Chalmers who is a very good defensive player.

Asking CDR, the 40th overall pick, to come in and put a lot of points on the board is quite a bit. He may have been able to score very well in college but it is different in the NBA, there are better players, better defenders. It will take time to learn the different types of defenses NBA teams will throw at him.

Chalmers may be the starting PG from the beginning of the year, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some players learn from playing, in my opinion what is a better way to learn other than doing it.

Saying that because he won't be effective in 5 years as CDR because he was put into the starting lineup as a rookie seems like a backwards way of thinking. He would have more experience, and more effective.


Why does it matter you ask? Because those stats won the Heat the CHAMPIONSHIP!

"there are better players"

You say that CDR won't be able to score because of the above statement, well Chalmers will also have a hard time adjusting to the great scorers in the NBA.

CDR can learn and grow because of Vince. Chalmers has no one to teach him and will struggle mightily for his first couple years.

Bottom line is, CDR will fill a need for scoring in a few years for the Nets, while Chalmers won't fill the scoring need for the Heat.

In the future, CDR will definitely turn out to be the better pick for the Nets than Chalmers was for the Heat.


I understand but like I said that was 2 years ago and this team is a lot different. Take away Shaq and a bunch of their role players and add in Marion, Beasley along with others.

CDR is known mostly for his scoring while Chalmers can affect the game in many different ways. Defensively, passing, and his good leadership skills all help him and give him more ways to effect a game.

Just because some players need other players to mentor them doesn't mean all of them do. Who's to say that just because Chalmers doesn't have a great PG in front of him he will struggle?

The Miami Heat have a GREAT SG and SF. They have a very underrated PF/C in Haslem and Michael Beasley has the potential to be very dominate. That leaves the Heat without a good PG and Chalmers will fill that void for many years.

You said that the Chalmers won't fill the scoring need for the Heat, they don't need him too. He just needs to be a good PG which he is very capable of doing. This Heat team has plenty of scoring options.

CDR may be a good option for the Nets in a few years, not right now. As for Chalmers, he can and will start at PG for them for many years. That makes him the best second round pick.

June 28, 2008  12:34 PM ET

Hendrix, lol.

June 28, 2008  12:43 PM ET

Sorry I had something come up... I will get to this ASAP. Sorry again

June 28, 2008  01:03 PM ET

No prob.

June 28, 2008  04:27 PM ET

Shan Foster!!!!

June 28, 2008  04:27 PM ET

^ HOMER ^

June 28, 2008  07:04 PM ET

I think Mario Chalmers should become very good under Pat Riley, but IMO, the arguments on the right were pretty weak. The fact that he left his imprint on the gamedoesn't really matter. And it raises the question, if it weren't for that shot would he even be considered a first round pick? In that respect he may even be a little overrated.

As for CDR, he was the best player on Memphis' team until Derrick Rose exploded onto the scence late in the season. It is incredible that he wasn't picked up in the first round. IMO, he should've been the next guard taken after Courtney Lee and gone to my Celtics instead of JR Giddens.

So far my vote is left, but that could change.

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June 28, 2008  10:10 PM ET

WEAVER is the best second rounder the next Bruce Bowen without the shooting
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June 30, 2008  04:57 PM ET

Sorry for making this take so long Dudeman... good luck

June 30, 2008  04:58 PM ET

No prob PE. This was a good TD.

June 30, 2008  05:02 PM ET

OK dudeman you lost me right here.........."CDR can learn and grow because of Vince"

If you think Carter will teach him more than D Wade will Chalmers, you are greatly mistaking. Carter likes to be the MAN, why do you think he left when T Mac starting getting better, if he was smart he would have stuck around. D Wade is a combo guard himself and a very smart player, who wants to win, you can bet your a55 he is gonna take Mario under his wing.

June 30, 2008  11:03 PM ET

I have to go with CDR. I have seen both of them and CDR should have been selected #19 by the Cleveland Cavaliers. OMG!!! What was Cleveland doing!!!!!!!

June 30, 2008  11:54 PM ET

Dude, your last argument was weak. I have to vote to Philly because of it. Sorry

 
July 1, 2008  08:58 AM ET

Chalmers is a good, solid point guard, and he definitely knows the position. 4.3APG in college is actually pretty good. It's equivalent to averaging about 6.5 in the NBA.

Your point about CDR having time to mature behind Vince is moot. The Nets want help now; they don't want to wait for it. Neither do the Heat, which is why they picked Chalmers, who could step in and make an impact right away. Also, what Nick said is completely right. Wade is more of a team-oriented player than Vince Carter is. He even admitted to giving up in games before while playing in Toronto.

PhillyEagles made a great point about Chalmers being more effective if he is "thrown into the fire" his rookie season.

Dudeman, after your third argument there is no way I can justify voting for you. Your argument practically helped your opponent because of how you contradicted yourself. You said before that CDR would be playing behind Vince, but then you said that CDR could step in and fill a scoring void for New Jersey. How does that happen if he's on the bench?

Easy vote to the right here. I don't think this should be tied up right now, no offense.

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