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Detroit Steel said 06/28, 09:57 PM
If Cleveland pulls through on this deal, it might help them a little bit, but I still can't see them getting a higher seed than 3rd or 2nd and I would still highly doubt that they would make the playoffs.

Vince Carter may have a big name to get the fans excited but he is not as clutch as he used to be, his scoring has dropped, he doesn't come up in big moments and he is getting older.

Even with Carter, all they pretty much would have is LeBron James. Carter might help win five games or something like that.

Losing Wally Sczerbiak is kind of big. He was a clutch performer last year that did wel lin the playoffs.

You have to remember the teams in the West like the San Antonio Spurs, New Orleans Hornets, Utah Jazz, and the Los Angeles Lakers.

The Cavs won't even be the best in the East. Does their roster look any better than any of these?

BOS

C - Kendrick Perkins
PF - Kevin Garnett
SF - Paul Pierce
SG - Ray Allen
PG - Rajon Rondo

ORL

C - Dwight Howard
PF - Rashard Lewis
SF Hedo Turkoglu
SG - Maurice Evans
PG - Jameer Nelson

DET

C - Rasheed Wallace
PF - Jason Maxiell
SF - Tayshaun Prince
SG - Rip Hamilton
PG - Chauncey Billups/Rod Stuckey

Detroit Steel said 06/29, 02:46 PM
First of all, I meant that they will not make the FINALS, I am sure they will make the playoffs, but not the finals.

Billups is likely to go but the Pistons also might recieve somebody in return like Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Marcus Camby or Tracy McGrady. This will surely help them.

Carter has bad chemistry with practically everyone. Why didn't the Nets make the playoffs last year? The talent was there . . . the Nets didn't make the playoffs last year because Carter started mouthing off about everybody and completely ruined any chemistry there might have been. If they would have gotten Carter, there wouldn't have been much chemisry.

Gaining Carter will ruin the Cavs future. They would still probably get a 4th or a 5th seed and Carter will start declining - Carter won't be as good as last year (which wasn't that good, terrible in the clutch) he is one year older . . .

San Antonio has won every other year for a few years . . . New Orleans is a young team that should be better and the Lakers will be a Finals contender, Utah, Denver, Golden State and Houston are still good . . .

In the East, Boston, Detroit, Orlando, Toronto, and Miami (maybe) could all be beTter than the Cavs this season, not to mention some teams that got stronger in the draft. Cleveland wouldn???t see much of an improvement and would not make the Finals.

Detroit Steel said 06/30, 08:58 PM
I just went on ESPN, the Nets rejected this offer without a doubt.

There isn't really anything to argue with my opponent foreiting his turn.

The trade didn't happen, I don't know wh ywe are arguing this but . . .

The Cleveland Cavaliers will probably get a 3rd or 4th seed and get knocked out in the second or third round - they won't win the championship.