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  • July 01, 2008 03:54 PM ET

Make an MLB Team

Mike4redsox: So long guys (61-71-16) vs Ghost. (163-43-10)
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Make an MLB Team out of people on under .500 ball clubs. Include a starting rotation, a DH, 2 relievers, and a closer.

Based on this years stats and Standings of July 1, 2008

C-Brian McCann ATL
1B-Lance Berkman HOU
2B-Jose Lopez SEA
3B-Chipper Jones ATL
SS-Jose Reyes NYM
LF-Matt Holliday COL
CF-David DeJesus KC
RF-Brian Giles SDG
DH-Adrian Gonzalez SDG

Starting Rotation
SP-Cliff Lee CLE
SP-Edinson Volquez CIN
SP-Tim Lincecum SF
SP-Roy Halladay TOR
SP-Jair Jurrjens-ATL

Relievers (Can not be actual closers, must be setup man)
RP-Taylor Buchholz COL
RP-Damaso Marte PIT

Closer
CL-Joakim Soria


I'll list differences

2B - Brandon Phillips (Reds)*
RF- Xavier Nady (Pirates)*

SP- (in place of Jurrjens) Johan Santana (Mets)*

RP- (in place of Marte) Scott Downs (Blue Jays)*

I guess I'll argue on 2nd.


You actually beat me in both batting differences, so I'll argue pitching

Jurrjens vs. Santana

Jair has been absolutely astounding so far. Posting a 8-3 record and a 2.94 ERA, both of which are better than Santana. His WHIP is higher than Johan's, but by only .10. Opponents are hitting .246 against both pitchers. But here's the key thing here. Both of their teams are struggling. Johan in his last 5 games has lost 4 decisions. Jair in his last 5 games has won 3 and got ND's the other 2. Jair has been the ace of this pitching staff, and without him the Braves would be close to the Nats for last place in the NL East. The Mets not having Johan, they'd be about the same place that they are right now. These guys are both aces, but only Jurrjens is performing like he's supposed to.

Marte vs. Downs

Damaso is 4-0 with 15 holds and 2 saves in his 41 appearences. Downs is 1-0 with 12 holds and 5 saves in his 39 appearences. In that time Marte has 8 more strikeouts and a lower WHIP than Downs.

Sorry got to go, I'll finish this later.


What?! I'm sorry did you just acknowledge that both Nady and Phillips are superior? Wait let's check...

Phillips has higher bat avg., higher slugging, more HRs, more RBIs, and more SB than Lopez.

Nady has higher bat avg, higher slugging, more HRs, more RBIs. than Giles.

Yep I guess you were right in agreeing with me. Just thought I'd leave that explicitly for the voters.


Now on to the pitchers...

Scott Downs has managed to post up a 1.62 ERA in a much harder division (Red Sox, Yankees, Rays) than Marte. In fact, when compared to Marte's 3.54 ERA, Downs wins easily.

But not only that, he also gave up less hits in more innings pitched than Marte and also struck out more. In more innings he also allowed less runs, 7, as compared to Marte's 16.

I think it's pretty clear, though while with less holds and wins, who has been better overall.


Jurrjens vs Santana

Let's put things in perspective...
1) their ERA difference is minimal...only .07
2) Santana has almost 50 more SOs than Jurrjens
3) Even though Santana has pitched 16 more innings, he still has LESS walks than Jurrjens
4) Santana has a better WHIP, better K/9 and K/BB.

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July 1, 2008  03:55 PM ET
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Let me research!

July 1, 2008  04:34 PM ET
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sorry ghost, I have a game so I'll argue this around 9 or 10... good differences, should be a good td...

July 1, 2008  04:36 PM ET
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No prob. I'm leaving work too. Later!

July 1, 2008  04:56 PM ET
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I will wait for the arguments, but right now im leaning Right

July 1, 2008  05:00 PM ET
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SANTANA OVER JURRJENS??? Jair has a better record and a lower E.R.A., plus he hasn't given up an earned run in like 23 innings.

July 1, 2008  05:05 PM ET
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waiting for arguments, but as of now leaning left, Jurrjens 8-3 with a 2.94 ERA compared to Santana's 7-7 with a 3.01 ERA.

July 1, 2008  05:11 PM ET
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Maybe it has to do with Santana's vastly superior peripherals. Little things. Like WHIP, K:BB ratio, K/9...you know.

July 1, 2008  05:13 PM ET
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I would take Jurrgens over Santana any day this season, he is cheaper, and performing better.

July 1, 2008  05:23 PM ET
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Outlaw...
Game 7, World Series. You're facing the Boston Red Sox offense.
You'd take Jurrgens over Johan?

July 1, 2008  05:31 PM ET
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yes I would indeed up to this point this year take Jurrgens over Santana, Jurrgens has been more dominant, and put up better numbers, and plus Sanatana wasn't great last year, and as for the K's, a pop out or a ground ball(Jurrgens specialty) does the same thing and can keep the pitch count lower,

July 1, 2008  05:42 PM ET
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I would take Jurrgens over Santana any day this season, he is cheaper, and performing better.

outlaw is Hank Williams III | 07/01/08, 05:13 PM


Except he isn't performing better. Which was sort of my point.

July 1, 2008  05:54 PM ET
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can't argue with an 8-4 record with a 2.94 ERA compared to a 7-7 record with a 3.01 ERA, you can pull out all of those other stats, but Jurrgens is winning more and giving up less runs per 9 innings.

July 1, 2008  05:58 PM ET
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I'll gladly TD with you about it. Send me a challenge if you wish.

July 1, 2008  06:08 PM ET
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I will as soon as my other 2 are finished, and you will probably win, but I won't change my opinion.

July 1, 2008  06:10 PM ET
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and Porkins I'm sorry if I came off as jerk, I've had a long day, so I appologize if I have said something mean to anyone in any comments.

July 1, 2008  08:11 PM ET
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Outlaw is right about Jurrgens having a better year. But... Santana does have a better WHIP,etc... And i would take Santana. And what does being cheaper have to do with this TD

July 2, 2008  01:33 AM ET
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Jair may be having a slightly better season than Santana as of now, but when it comes down to the stretch i'd much rather have Johan Santana in my rotation. Plus, I think Downs has been much more effective than Marte.

July 2, 2008  03:38 AM ET
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waiting for arguments, but as of now leaning left, Jurrjens 8-3 with a 2.94 ERA compared to Santana's 7-7 with a 3.01 ERA.
outlaw is Hank Williams III | 07/01/08, 05:05 PM
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TRUE THAT

GOTTA GO LEFT

 
July 3, 2008  12:54 PM ET
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lol
ghosthunter your just plain stupid
strikeouts dont mean anything
all that matters is that you get the hitters out
and jurrjens is doing that better then santana.

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