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Forrest won that fight.

The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 said 07/07, 10:09 AM
I have been reading a ton of, well let me just call it what it is, crap about how Forrest did not win that fight. I say he did. He won three rounds of that fight and one round was probably a 10-8 round. Here is how the judges scored it:

Adalaide Byrd who scored it 48-46, gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2 and 3 with 2 as 10-8

Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46 with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8

Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.

Do I think Forrest won in that convincing of a manner? No, however Rampage had too much ring rust, and Forrest had too good a gameplan. I mean face it Rampage under estimated Forrest. Plain and simple, while Forrest trained under the guidance of maybe the best active coach in the game right now, Randy Couture. Their strategy worked to a tee, and you could tell Rampage sat for a little too long. In my mind Rampage will beat Forrest the next time they fight, however in this one Forrest won it, Rampage lost it and anything else is sour grapes. Think I am wrong? Think Rampage won, then throwdown.

Frank Pentangelli is READY said 07/07, 10:23 AM
Noone wont the fight. They stopped it before it was over.

There is never a winner from a decision. All MMA fights should go on in 5 minute round increments until they are over. Who would have won had it gone on? Who knows. Someone with a piece of paper outside the octagon cant tell me, Forrest, or Rampage who won. It should be decided by Submission or KO only.

The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 said 07/07, 11:24 AM
To address not only your statements but the comments from below, there is a reason for time limits.

1. Deaths and serious injuries would occur, anyone else remember that old footage of Jack Johnson going like 50 rounds or something?
2. All other sprots have time limits, or at least a determination of when the "game" will end. i.e 60 minutes for FB, 27 outs for baseball.
3. It must have time limits and round limits to be sanctioned in the US.

Fights have been determined this way for what 50 plus years now? It's up to the fighters to not leave it in the hands of the judges. You still didn't adress the fact that Rampage lost this one.

Frank Pentangelli is READY said 07/07, 11:51 AM
1. Deaths and serious injury? I will simply copy Porkins:

You mean a sport in which the sole purpose is to beat someone else into submission carries with it some inherent physical risks? Shocking.

Well I guess so.

2. It is a cage fight. It is not comparable to other sports. There will be a determination when the fight ends: It is either when someone gives up or someone is knocked out.

Now to address the initial TD:

Forrest won that fight. Well, No he didnt actually win the fight. A group of individuals outside the octagon determined who won the fight. The fight itself was not over as neither had been defeated and both were still fighting.

How can you say Forrest won when both were still fighting? Boxing is a **** hug and kiss fest. We dont need that in MMA. We need fights to be finished.

The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 said 07/07, 11:59 AM
Actuall it is comparable to other fights, kick boxing for instance, or pancrase, or sambo. However most folks are not familiar with those. In the US you have to have timelimits, period. No ifs ands or buts.

TO address your question, in football how can you say a team wins, when after all they still want to keep playing. Or how about a baseball game that ends in the 12th, boy I bet the other side still wants to continue playing. The facts are they both agreed to the terms of the fight, one of which is that if neither fighter can finish the other fighter it will go to a judges scorecard. Those are the rules, they have to abide by the decision. If Rampage didn't want a decision he should have tried to finish Forrest.

Frank Pentangelli is READY said 07/07, 12:17 PM
Tell me, besides MMA or no holds barred who fights in a cage? Noone. Also, Football is a TEAM sport; therefore, simply has no bearing in this TD.

Your TD was that Forrest really did beat Rampage. Now it seems in argument 3 you have resorted to "b/c the judges said Forrest won then he did". That is precisely what I am against. The fight never ended. This is our modern day gladiator sport. Did they put a time limit on "Tiger vs Maximus"???? No they didnt.

My argument is precisely this: Noone won the fight b/c it didnt finish. Bottom line. End of story.

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I agree with Frank, actually. I'm of the opinion that Boxing and MMA should go until someone gets creamed. Once boxing became about scoring it changed into dancing, hugging, and landing inconsequntial love taps rather than putting your opponent on the canvas.

The Ram | 07/07/08, 10:40 AM

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Forrest won that fight.

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