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I meant league, not conference sorry. Was just thinking about football.

The bullpen is still an area of concern. Other than that, they're very solid.

Actually, there is a league pennant, as well as divisional pennants.

Gruden - they don't call winning your division winning the pennant. You may get a pennant to fly in your stadium but winning the pennant means winning your League's Championship Series and going to the World Series.

Villaneuva is actually in the pen as a long reliever. Bush has been steady as of late as has McClung (who kinda biffed it last night). You're forgetting about Manny Parra, the 5th pitcher in the rotation who is 8-2 w/ a 3.65 ERA.

At the moment really, the worst person in the lineup is Suppan who tends to be better later in the year. But considering you don't seem to know who is pitching for the Brewers, I gotta vote ------>

MDPRIDE111 is Fear Itself said 07/08, 10:20 AM
I brought up the Orioles as an example of what happens when you get a good closer. Which the Brewers don't have right now. Their relievers are shakey with Riske, Gagne, and Torres

Torres shakey??? I guess 15 converted saves out of 18 (I think) is "shakey". And yeah, Gagne can be shakey, but he has more than 10 saves to (and only 5 blown I think). The shakiest person in the pen for the Brewers is Mota, who is showing why the Mets got rid of him.

Oh it is Parra, oops

"And the Brew Crew isn't that much better than the Indians offense"

Brewers have 22 more runs than the Tribe without the DH. You got to take that into consideration.

I really wish they would allow more than 1200 characters....Packbrew is bringing up a lot of points I wanted to make but needed to address other issues as well....

Hey rstowe, I need someone to teach me how to TD, can you or someone else, I don't know, tutor me?

MDPRIDE - check out this blog of mine:

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/132176

It has some great advice....other than that, just FM me some questions if you have any. Check out TDs of mine, The Ram, Porkins, Goodell, a throwdowner named NCShvDavid, Bigalke. If you look through their TDs, you will see how they do it and get some ideas.

Also, join the Fannation User's Guide group....lots of great blogs in there as well.

Vote to Rich...better arguments.

But rstowe, the really good ones that the big guys TD in, are usually against me.

MD - read their arguments.....see how they organize their thoughts and ideas.....that's basically what a good argument is - ensuring you have correct stats etc, organizing them in a way that makes sense and using logic in your arguments.

For instance, in this TD you said the Brewers couldn't beat the Cubs, Phillies or D-Backs, however, looking at the games this year, I showed that the Brewers in fact have winning records against the Cubs and DBacks and are 500 against the Phillies.

It's not just taking a popular side and saying what you believe everyone should hear to vote for you, it is also very important to ensure what you are saying is accurate, easy to understand and hard to counter.

MD - also stay away from opinions unless you can back it up. You believe they can't beat the Cubs, DBacks or Phillies yet the season to date doesn't show that. If you gave further examples of why they can't beat them you might have been better off, but just saying a blanket statement - they can't beat them - without supporting it leaves you open to a counter from your opponent (which I did).

TDing isn't just about stating the things that make your side stronger, it is also about countering things your opponent says (either bad info/stats or a statement like you made in this one).

I think the biggest thing in TDs is to check your facts first. Numbers don't lie.

However, numbers also do not tell the whole story. A good TDer can attack pretty much any stat. It takes a complete argument to win a debate. You have to look at the big picture and try to address all the major issues, not just a few.

Predicitions are very difficult because you're bringing in all the fans. Fans FOR your team, and fans AGAINST your team. That creates a lot of voting and a lot of attention to the TD- and all that means your arguments will be scrutinized even more.

Just argue a lot, and keep your arguments tight. Don't try to take on too much- you only have 3600 characters. You have to prove your points and discredit your opponents' points. So try to be brief but thorough...

Best advice I have is this:

Argument 1:Back why you believe what you believe.
Argument 2 and 3: Trash your opponents argument the BEST that you can.

Oh, and another thing, make sure to use ALL of your 3600 characters.

Good point about stats not being the end all be all Porkins....stats only tell part of the picture and I can make stats say anything I wish.....