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Phitin Phils said 07/15, 09:25 AM
State players first, no arguments, and dont start this if you cant finish it soon....
In no order:
LT
Adrian Peterson
Brian Westbrook
Steven Jackson
Joseph Addai
Randy Moss
Phitin Phils said 07/15, 09:43 AM
I figured the debate would come down to Moss vs Brady
While you obviously can not ignore Brady's astronomical numbers last season, it is impossible to expect him to reach those totals once again. He had some 50 TDs last season, and I believe if he hits 40, that would have to be considered a successful season. But then the question arises as to if that is realy worth the 6th overal pick when you can get a lesser qb in a the mid to even late rounds and fill other holes that are more difficult to fill, such as a stud #1 reciever.
Moss' numbers were also way way higher than any other WR in the league last year which sort of puts him in the Chase Utley category where he is soo much better than any other person at his position that it increases his value exponentially because getting 15 points a game from a wr on a consistent basis with a few 30 point games thrown in here and there immedietely makes you a title contender in any league(I only beat the kid who had Moss last season because Westbrook took a knee on the 1)
I think Brady will fall back to 'normalcy' a little more than Moss as I believe the Pats focus a little more on the run game and Moss is still far and away #1
You want to play a game? said 07/15, 09:52 AM
A lot of this is based on your scoring system as Well.
The reason I would take a QB over the WR is simple
Brady/Peyton - then a dropoff - Brees- Slight Drop - Romo/Matt/Palmer/ - Dropoffs
Moss/Smith/Chad/TO/Wayne/Colston/A. Johnson/not that steep a Drop Fitzgerald/Edwards/Harrison/Burress/Holt etc
My point is simply- There is a HUGE amount of quality WR out there - from a normal year standpoint.
After the top 2 QBs are going- you can forget about (a Xp player) taking a QB for a round at least- unless someone REALLY loves Romo
But how far after Moss does TO and Chad go? half round at MOST?
Fact of the matter is- If Brady don;t throw the Ball- Moss won;t be there to catch it.
and Brady has been a top pick for YEARS- he has a SOLID track record
How many people Had Moss year before last that STILL Curse his name.
Phitin Phils said 07/15, 10:03 AM
OK, well I understand that generally you take the QB over the WR just because the QB always has the ball pretty much. But in this case, the dropoff from Moss to other WRs is much larger than you might think. Moss TDs last season was a good 7 or 8 higher than anyone else. That is an enormous number for a wide reciever. And remember Im basing my argument on value over next available player and valuing a stud WR over a stud QB because QBs like Romo, Garrard, Palmer, Big Ben, Brees all will go round 2-4 and will probably finish relatively close to Brady's numbers this season.
I believe this season Brees, Big Ben, and Palmer will all see increases in production and Brady will see a decrease, while Romo and Manning will stay consistent with last years numbers. This brings Brady back to the pack in terms of fantasy numbers. Meanwhile, I think its save to say TOs best days are behind him, he his now 33 but it is true that Edwards and Wayne I think are primed to put up great, great numbers.
You want to play a game? said 07/15, 10:26 AM
Randy Moss caught almost as many TDs last year as the THREE previous years COMBINED
So he does not have the TRACK RECORD to be great
Moss 13,8,3,23 last 4
TO 14,6,13,15 last 4
SS 12,8,7, last 3
MArvin H 10,15,12,12 last 4 (healthy)
Wayne 12.5.9.10
See a Pretty Huge spread there?
Peyton 49,28,31,31 last 4
(yards ) 4557, 3747, 4397,4040
Brady 28,26,24,50
(yards) 3692,4110,3529,4806
Kinda solid across the board right?
If your top 6 pick busts out 3 Tds- you have LOST
If he tosses 220 Yards per game AND STILL comes in 4th in the NFL in touchdowns (brady 2006)
You can STILL win with that,
When your WORST year in the past 4 seasons is TOP 4 in the NFL
you are a SOLID pick - and lets not forget- Moss has had some STINKERS
But I have NEVER heard a person say- I screwed up when I picked Brady (unless it was Number 1/2 overall)
But I have heard it about Moss, TO, Chad, Marvin. etc
Heck I have SAID it about a couple of them.
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way wrong list for 2 seasons from now.....maybe for 2008....
rstowe
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i meant 2008-2009
Phitin Phils
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I know....just messing around.
rstowe
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i meant 2008-2009
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Brady over Moss is a must
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this would be better if it was in order
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Brady has tons of options to throw to, that means more points. Moss has only one person to catch, less points.
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AP? Which AP will show up? The 200 yard rusher, or the 17 yard rusher? Call me when he gets consistency before I waste a top 5 pick on him.
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Dude he pretty much led the NFC in rushing w/o starting half the season....he is a stud
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i have a good td idean, what is more impressive, tom bradys 2007 season or peyton mannings 2004 season?
eagles20
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wouldnt be a bad TD but a person should be able to win that with Brady unless they have no idea how to argue
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A lot of this is based on your scoring system as Well.
Good point, every FFL is different
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better arguments on the right.....Moss had a career and historic year that is why he was so far ahead in TDs etc, but who threw him the ball?
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good call
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Moss is not a top 6 pick...Brady yes... vote right
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