- 07/16/2008, 12:39PM ET
GIFF said 07/16, 12:39 PM
The argument that Montana was a better NFL QB drives me up the wall. Montana had a much better supporting cast, a better offensive scheme, and significantly worse numbers.
Elway was better. Now let's roll.
The Ram said 07/16, 01:15 PM
Significantly worse numbers? Huh???
Let's review. Elway holds the advantage in total yards and total TD's. Other than that, it is a sound butt-Kicking from Montana in every single way you can realistically measure a QB:
yards per attempt
John: 79.9 (right next to Byron Leftwich-79.7, Tony Eason-79.7, and Elvis Grbac-79.6 on the All-Time list)
Joe: 92.3 (6th best in NFL history)
attempts per Int
attempts per TD
John: 24 (Aaron Brooks threw TD's more frequently than that, along with 110 other QB's)
As for the "friendly offense" Montana twice topped 500 attempts in a season with a high of 520. Elway topped 500 attempts SIX times with a high of 605! Whose offense was passer frindly, again?
Now let's separate the men from the boys.
Elway wet himself in his 5 Super Bowls. His average stat line:
15/30, 225 yards, 0.6 TD, 1.6 Int
Montana's average line:
21/31, 285 yards, 2.75 TD, 0 Int
As for supporting cast, I seem to recall Terrell Davis (157 yards, 3 TD) dragging Elway's carcass to his first SB win (12/22, 123 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int).
GIFF said 07/16, 02:00 PM
It's very EASY to dance with stats when your QB (Montana) played in a Bill Walsh directed offense. Bill Walsh was the father of the modern day offense, and his schemes were VASTLY superior to that of Dan Reeves. Elway can't be faulted for that, while Montana reaped the benefits of it. So how much can a coach influence a player you might ask? Consider this. John Elway's QB rating under Reeves was 72.9. Post Reeves - 89.1. The first year after Reeves, Elway threw for over 4,000 yds (something Joe NEVER did), 25 TD's, and had a 92.8 qb rating. Elway made it to 5 Super Bowls, (3 with horrible coaching), 2 with decent coaching, which he won. Joe spent all but 2 seasons of his career within a brilliant offensive scheme, and the playmakers to support it.
As for playmakers....Take a look at the supporting cast in the SB in '89:
Montana CLEARLY had a dream supporting cast to go along with Bill Walsh's brilliant offense. Elway had 4 guys that were out of the league within 2 years after leaving the Broncos.
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