Hasim Rahman lost a fight he shouldn't have!
Peachy Clue? said 07/17, 02:56 AM
Obviously i as you can see I'm a Rahman fan. Even though i have his picture from Holyfield knocking him up, he is great in my opinion. Remember Lennox Lewis in Africa?
Anyways, I watched the fight and i'm not being bias. Rahman won the first 2 rounds w/ Toney winning the 3rd. The fight stopped before the 4th because Toney headbutted Rahman in the 2nd and Rahman complained of not seeing in his corner. He complained of not seeing because blood was in his eye. They ruled it a doctor decision/ TKO!? Yeah, Rahman was complaining but wasn't saying he couldn't fight. Watch the replay of Rahman getting headbutted and then Toney's cocky reaction, like "o I got him now". We all know how boxer's get discouraged w/ a nasty cut to the eye. Rahman in the 3 rounds used his jab EFFECTIVELY!
Lets sum it up
-Rahman won 2 rds. to 1.
-Toney won the 3rd and headbutted him in the 2nd to bust above his eye.
Rahman will APPEAL. Also, look at these two sites if you saw the fight. Foxsports said that Toney clearly won. Yeah, Toney got some shots off after the HEADBUST in the 3rd but Rahman won the 2 rounds before when the fight was called after 3!
I will show you the sites cont..
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 07/17, 03:15 AM
This is very simple. The fighter himself does not determine whether or not he's medically fit to go on in a fight. As soon as a doctor says he can't fight, it's over.
The rest is just details. Head butting an opponent does not usually result in a DQ on a 1st offense. It might result in loss of a point if the ref believes it was intentional. That's the only way Rahman could be "robbed" here, is if a DQ "should" have been called.
Who was leading the fight on score cards is meaningless at that point. Once the Doc said he couldn't go, he couldn't go and the fight is over and CORRECTLY ruled a TKO.
Peachy Clue? said 07/17, 03:22 AM
Who was leading the fight on score cards is meaningless at that point. Once the Doc said he couldn't go, he couldn't go and the fight is over and CORRECTLY ruled a TKO.
The Doc wasn't the *****y referee who missed the BLANTON HEADBUTT. The fight should've gone to the SCORE CARD THAT READ 2-1 Rahman. Flabby Toney got off w/ a good one. Then this cocky lucky mofo said he wants Sam Peter again. I wish i could see this guy to tell him " Sam Peter will beat your **** and Rahman got robbed!".
Also Cowboy, why did after the fight the announcers say "NO CONTEST" or "DRAW".
Look at these sites. Foxsports said Toney dominated but won only 1 ROUND!
FOXSPORTS:
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/8352018/Toney-beats-Rahman-in-third-round-of-heavyweight-bout
BOXING SCENE: http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=14990
Totally different views like me and you cowboy. Boxingscene said there was a question mark on the fight with Foxsports saying Toney won easlily.
DON'T VOTE IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH! IT'S NOT FAIR ON THIS ONE.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 07/17, 03:41 AM
Ah, so you are blaming the ref, then? He "missed a BLANTON (I think you meant blatent) HEADBUTT"? Really. The web site you linked me to says it was an "accidental foul". Funny how people see things entirely non objectively when it's their side they perceive getting screwed.
Your next paragraph is nothing but an emotional diatribe so nothing to respond to there.
"Also Cowboy, why did after the fight the announcers say "NO CONTEST" or "DRAW"."
What some ringside announcer said, predicted, or otherwise wished for doesn't really mean much. The day they let sports announcers determine the outcome of sporting events is the day I give up watching sports forever.
"Boxingscene said there was a question mark on the fight with Foxsports saying Toney won easlily."
Seems NEITHER agrees with you then, huh? You unequivocally say he should not have lost, but the references you use say he should or MAYBE he shouldn't.
By rule it was a TKO. Correctly called.
"DON'T VOTE IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH! IT'S NOT FAIR ON THIS ONE."
Completely absurd. You presented a case and I countered. You didn't have to watch the fight in order to determine who has the better argument, here. This is a TD, not a poll.
Peachy Clue? said 07/17, 10:49 AM
Yeah, BLATENT. Hasim got intentionally head butted. I saw Toney's eyes afterwords. Hasim and his group should call for a rematch or appeal. Losing the belt in that fashion was down right crazy. Cowboy, take td's when you know what your talking about. You obviously didn't watch the fight so your opinion to me is "BLAH".
Hasim Rahman got robbed plain and simple. When headbutting in boxing becomes legal holler at me!
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 07/18, 01:38 AM
You call it an intentional head butt, the web site YOU linked to called it accidental. Either way, it doesn't much matter. Blaming the ref in any sport for supposedly missing something is a waste of time. It's far too subjective and everyone will have a different opinion on it.
I'm dealing in FACT, not opinion. The FACT of the matter is, for whatever reason, the doctor said Rahman couldn't come out for the next round. Doc says that decision was based on Hasim indicating to him he couldn't go on rather on a medical diagnosis. In effect, Rahman was throwing in his own towel.
Once again, the correct ruling was made. By rule, if the fight had been stopped for a MEDICAL reason caused by an accidental head butt in the first 4 rounds, then it should have been a draw. However, unless you are calling Rahman's doctor a liar, that is NOT why he stopped the fight. He did NOT declare a medical reason why his fighter couldn't return to the ring, he only stopped the fight because Hasim didn't want to continue. If you want to assign blame, assign it to Rahman's own doc, but the correct decision resulted based on the FACTS of what happened.
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Comments (32)
Cowboy, if you didn't watch the fight then PLEASE decline. The news is not going right. look for yourself on foxsports that isn't real or boxingscene.com for the people that ACTUALLY watched the fight.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=14990 What really happened!
here is the BS.........http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/8352018/Toney-beats-Rahman-in-third-round-of-heavyweight-bout
Hey Foxsports, it was Toney's 71st win! dam*
Peachy Clue? | 07/17/08, 03:13 AM
Report Offensive CommentI didn't see the fight, but that's meaningless to what you are arguing.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/17/08, 03:17 AM
Report Offensive CommentWHY DID YOU ACCEPT? YOUR LIKE GU3 TEJADA LOVER! RUINED TD FOR A HATER!
Peachy Clue? | 07/17/08, 03:23 AM
Report Offensive CommentWhy did I accept? Simple. Because I can argue against your premise. And the link you give doesn't even support your position.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/17/08, 03:45 AM
Report Offensive CommentPeach, you are getting smoked here.
You'd better bring in home in your final argument.
YODA | 07/17/08, 04:31 AM
Report Offensive Comment^
*bring IT home
YODA | 07/17/08, 04:31 AM
Report Offensive Commentlast argument! Bring home the bacon
CCC is the front runner
Hank Hill is back! | 07/17/08, 08:29 AM
Report Offensive CommentPeachy is 100% correct in this....
The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 | 07/17/08, 09:35 AM
Report Offensive Commentactually ccc its not meaningless if you watched the fight Rahman got robbed
The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 | 07/17/08, 09:35 AM
Report Offensive Commentccc the rules state that if a fight stops due to a headbutt before the fourth round it should be declared a no contest, it should of been a no contest
The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 | 07/17/08, 09:36 AM
Report Offensive Commentthe doctor signaled the ref no contest!!!!
The Prodigy is Hawaiian for #1 | 07/17/08, 09:41 AM
Report Offensive CommentThe doctor did not signal anything. The doctor is not the one that calls a fight a no contest or not. That's up to the ref and the judges. The doctor is ONLY responsible for determining whether a fighter can go on or not. In this case, the doctor made no such determination. The doctor signaled it was over because Rahman said he couldn't go on. The decision was based on Rahman's decision, not a medical one. therefore, TKO. So in this TD, both guys are wrong.
Gruden crushes poker tables | 07/17/08, 10:01 AM
Report Offensive Comment"ccc the rules state that if a fight stops due to a headbutt before the fourth round it should be declared a no contest, it should of been a no contest"
That's true. However the fight WASN'T stopped due to a headbutt. At least not officially. The Doc stopped the fight based on Rahman not wanting to continue, not on a medical diagnosis.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/18/08, 01:41 AM
Report Offensive Comment"the doctor signaled the ref no contest"
So what? The doc doesn't make that decision. Only the ref could have called it a no contest if HE had stopped the fight for the reason given or if the Doc had determined the fighter incapable of continuing. That's not what happened. The Doc didn't stop it for that reason, hence it NOT a no-contest, no matter what the doc was hoping would be the decision.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/18/08, 01:48 AM
Report Offensive CommentYou didn't watch the fight cowboy, simple as that. You didn't see Rahman's reaction when getting hit w/ the head butt. The ref knew. This fight will be appealed. Please do not take another td that you just read on the internet. thanks
Peachy Clue? | 07/18/08, 02:06 AM
Report Offensive CommentAnd you don't know the rules, Peachy, simple as that.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/18/08, 02:18 AM
Report Offensive CommentRahman tied to milk the cut and forfeited the fight in the process. The doc was going to let the ref take the fight a another round cause it wasn't bleeding all that bad yet
An accidental clash of heads goes to the score cards if the fighter is deemed by the referee not fit to continue. The ref takes advice from the ring doctor and unless he wants a huge law suit takes the advice. Rahman was the one who said he couldn't continue so the fight ends in TKO. Rahman tied to hard to milk the cut and it cost him the fight. He tried to explain the cut was causing him not to see when he should have just let himself be examined.
It was a crap ending to a crap fight. Rahman quitting is usually taboo in the sport but after what happened on ESPN2 last night its hard to fault somebody.
buckybadger | 07/18/08, 02:43 AM
Report Offensive CommentThe worse part of this fight is that this outcome is going to make them do it again. UHG!
buckybadger | 07/18/08, 02:55 AM
Report Offensive CommentOh goes to the score cards after 4 rounds otherwise is a NC.
buckybadger | 07/18/08, 03:13 AM
Report Offensive CommentThis throwdown transpired just like the fight.
CCC (Rahman) won the first two arguments rounds decisively over Peach (Toney).
Then CCC (Rahman) was headbutted by the referee/judge (The Prodigy in the comments section).
So Peach (Toney) may actually now win this TD due to the referee's input.
But if Peach (Toney) does get the TD victory, should CCC (Rahman) appeal?
Would Peach go as far to say "CCC lost a TD he shouldn't have!"?
YODA | 07/18/08, 03:42 AM
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