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You want to play a game? said 07/21, 01:49 AM
Sadly, the reign of Ron Simmons was due mostly to Bill Watts wanting to both bring wrestling back to old school legit stars (see Dr Death for his biggest prize) who were rough men and away from the pretty boys- and also had a mainstream background.

Add to that the underscored racial tones of his reign, and Ron Simmons tour with the belt was NOT the success Watts and WCW Hoped for.

The most historic?

If I have to go PURE WCW

I'll take Starrcade 1997- it did 3 things

1. Killed a year and half angle with the 2 of the biggest stars in Wrestling history

2. Destroyed Bret Hart as an incoming player

3. SEVERELY damaged the East Coast in the war with the WWE- as followup shows in the BosWash did not do as well. Kind of like the Dusty finish killing off Chicago and the Northwest for YEARS in the 80s.

You want to play a game? said 07/21, 11:37 AM
You fail to mention that the Simmons title run was a HUGE failure at the Box office and Simmons was one of the FEW champions in those dayd to NOT EVEN HEADLINE major house shows.

Considering he was legit a mainstream name from his NCAA days and Bill Watts used it to deflect stories of him being a racist to begin with.

FURTHERMORE- Ron Simmons is NOT the first minority to hold the WORLD title in a Major Federaton

that would be Pedro Morales (unless you count Jewish,Irish, Arab or Polish minorities)

You also have a BUNCH of Asians

Plus the World TAG titles were held by Black men as well -noted by Tony Atlas & Rocky Johnson in the WWWE

You may claim that Tag team < World Title

but you don;t know your southern history esp the Carolina's until Ric Flair in the 80s Tag Team wrestling headlined more cards than singles did.

and First to slam Vader?

I can name FIVE in IWGP to do so before WCW

IN WCW, Sting, Nikita Koloff, and BOTH Steiner Brothers

BEFORE Ron Simmons

By the time ROn lost the title BACK to Vader when Watts knew he had failed to get him over with fans

He was a footnote

It would be as if Jackie Hit .180 and was sent to the Minors

You want to play a game? said 07/21, 04:40 PM
Uh Ok.

"When you broke the barrier it hard for people to catch on"

Really- I don;t seem to recall Jackie Robinson, Bill Russell or any other barrier breakers being hidden in the midcard.

"You fail to mention that the Simmons title run was a HUGE failure at the Box office and Simmons was one of the FEW champions in those dayd to NOT EVEN HEADLINE major house shows. "

actually, I did- Para 1 of Arg 2

and that helps you I have NO idea

"People caught on to champs later like Rock and Boooker T."

You are correct again- you have NO idea how many BlueChipper T-Shirts I have of Rocky Miavia or How many Kane and Kole figures I have-

Or how about these household names
Flex Kavana and GI-Bro?

Nope I don;t think they were successful out of the chute.

Title Reads WCW - but Pedro and the rest are Legit- as in Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier was JUST as big an impact on BOTH the Al and the NL

Art Shell had an impact on BOTH the AFL and the NFL

The Sting/Hogan match changed THREE careers and DOOMED a company- how can you get more impact than that?

Three Hall of Famers (in a fake sport) but All-Time greats changed that day.