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Cheezhead said 07/21, 07:30 PM
I'm going with the Chicago Bears. We're talking about Rex Grossman. Rex. Grossman. Well, let's start off by looking at his stats last season:

122-225 passing (54.2% completions)
1,411 yards passing
6.27 yards per attemption
4 touchdowns
7 interceptions
66.4 passer rating.

Grossman only played half of the season and he still managed to throw more picks than touchdowns. His stats from last year were terrible. So he might have had one bad year, right? Wrong. Check out his career stats:

489-900 passing (54.3% completions)
5907 yards passing
6.56 yards per attemption
31 touchdowns
33 interceptions
70.9 passer rating

Still ugly. More picks than touchdowns is bad enough, but then you through in all of that and you might consider Ryan Leaf as a better move.

The Bears need a new quarterback to make any noise in the NFC North, let alone the rest of the NFL. Worst-case scenario the Packers have Rodgers, the Vikings have Jackson, the Lions have Kitna, and the Bears have Grossman, and I'd still say the Bears will finish in last.

If they had a quarterback, the Bears would be winners. They have a solid D, but nobody to throw to help them out on the scoreboard.

Cheezhead said 07/22, 01:02 PM
It doesn't matter that Rex Grossman was the quarterback of a team two years ago that ended up losing for a few reasons.

1) That was two years ago. The 2006-2007 Rex Grossman is a lot different than the 2008-2009 Rex Grossman. Who says that year wasn't a fluke? Or that Grossman isn't like he used to be?

2) The even bigger reason: Grossman wasn't the leader of the team, the star of the team, the cornerstone of that season or anything like that at all. Sure, his TEAM (yes, there were 21 other starters plus special teams) went to the Super Bowl, but Grossman wasn't exactly a MVP candidate. He was no Brady or Manning. The Bears defense was a HUGE reason for Chicago's success that year. Urlacher and the guys kept the other team off the scoreboard. Grossman? He didn't do too much to help them out.

The Miami Dolphins just had a nice draft pick. Chad Henne has the potential to be great in the NFL. Usually when you have a high draft pick you aren't in "need" of the position you just drafted because that guy should be around for a while.

The Chicago Bears need a quarterback more than the Miami Dolphins do.

Cheezhead said 07/22, 05:56 PM
"Grossman...did thought have a solid year, and led them to the Super Bowl"

For one thing, HE didn't lead the team, the defense did. For another, let's look at that "solid" year he had:

Rex Grossman 2006 Stats

73.9 passer rating (24th in the NFL)
262 completions (17th in the NFL)
480 attemptions (10th in the NFL, which means he didn't keep his completions up with his attemptions)
54.6 completion percentage (28th in the NFL)
3193 passing yards (12th in the NFL)
6.65 yards per attemption (17th in the NFL)
23 touchdowns (7th in the NFL)
20 interceptions (THIRD HIGHEST IN THE NFL, 30TH WORST)

So, do you still think that in his way to "leading the Bears to the Super Bowl", Rex Grossman had a "solid" season? Just look at that; one stat in the 30th-or-worse column, two stats ranked in the 20's, three in the 10's, and 2 in the Top Ten (one was attemptions, which only means you have to throw a lot).

"Like I stated in my previous argument the Bears had a better passing team than the Dolphins last season."

This year the Dolphins just drafted a future-long-term quarterback with potential. It's different this time.

"The Dolphins went 1-15"

MIA had bad D too.