- 08/14/2008, 05:18PM ET
Summit Series II (for those of you who don't know what's going on, read this blog: http://fannation.com/blogs/post/230535
thehemogoblin said 08/14, 05:18 PM
PG: Deron Williams- At some point in his career, Williams is going to snap. He's going to be second fiddle to Chris Paul for a long time. 18.8 PPG, 10.5 APG nothing to sneeze at either.
SG: Tracy McGrady- He's got over 20 points a game, over five rebounds a game, over five dishes a game. He's the poor man's LeBron.
SF: Antawn Jamison- 20 and 10 from your small forward position is mighty fine, especially considering that he's an underrated defender.
PF: Tim Duncan- Since you were touting him in our last TD, I'm thinking you'll stay with him. If not, you wrote some good arguments that I'll use.
C: Amare Stoudemire- 25 points per game, with 8 rebounds per and more than two blocks, it's a cinch that he's the best remaining center.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 08/14, 05:51 PM
I'll list my differences:
SG: Allen Iverson- As overrated as his teammate Carmelo is, AI is actually a legit player. The SG should be able to score and pass. He's one of the best scorers in the league and he averages 26+ a night. But he also averages 7+ assists. The only other person in the NBA to pass and score like that? LeBron.
Oh, well, he shoots too much people say. Iverson has a BETTER shooting % than T-Mac from BOTH the field, and from 3 point range. The other myth is that he can't play defense. He averages 1.99 steals a game, good for 8th in the NBA. And he played all 82 games. If someone puts to use the term "warrior", it's Iverson.
SF: Andre Iguodala- Al Jefferson. Just kidding. Seriously, though; Jamison is 6-9, 235. He doesn't have the mobility to cover smaller, quicker small forwards. He can score like Jamison (19.9 a game), he can rebound for a SF ( 5 and a half a game), and he can shoot (45%, better than Jamison). But what sets him apart is his defense and passing.
The SF NEEDS to be able to pass, and Iguodala averages 4.8 assists a game. On the contrary, Jamison averages 1.5. And on defense, he is SIXTH in the NBA in steals. Iguodala is a very complete SF.
thehemogoblin said 08/14, 06:18 PM
I screwed up, I was going off of NBA Live 04 when I picked Jamison, I apologize. I'll go with Iguodala here (and hope to god that nobody notices my botch).
Anyways, T-Mac vs. AI...
AI is an absolute liability on defense, not in the sense that he can't steal the ball (which he can), but the sense that he's 6'0'' in high heels. He can't affect people's shots, he can't effectively guard bigger men. Meanwhile, T-Mac's 6'8'' with a good wingspan, he's able to guard guards and forwards. He pulls down more than double the rebounds per game than does Iverson.
To keep the stats nice and even, let's use per-36 minute averages:
AI: 23.9 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 5.4 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 3.2 TOPG
T-Mac: 22.9 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 4.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 2.4 TOPG
AI: 22.8 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 6.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.1 BPG, 2.6 TOPG
T-Mac: 21.1 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 5.7 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 2.4 TOPG
As you can clearly see, T-Mac may not score quite as much (the difference is truly negligible) and assist much, but he also doesn't turn over the ball as much, so his assist/turnover ratio is better. On defense, he affects many more shots than does Iverson, but his steals are satisfactory but not great.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 08/14, 08:15 PM
"He pulls down more than double the rebounds per game than does Iverson"
No. McGrady gets 5.1 a game; Iverson gets 3 a game. Neither of us are the best at math, but double 3 would be 6. T-Mac hardly gets 5, much less 6.
"he's able to guard guards and forwards"
Kobe Bryant- 45
Ronnie Brewer- 13
Josh Howard- 21
Brandon Roy- 23
Manu Ginobili- 23
Michael Redd- 26
Jason Richardson- 16
Mike Miller- 17
What are those? Those are the SG's T-Mac guarded in the first 9 games of the year. I could go on and on, but the point is clear. T-Mac is great on offense, but not so much on defense. Iverson isn't great on defense; but he isn't giving up the kind of scoring that T-Mac is.
Nice and even? Are you kidding me? You are taking away what AI does because he plays MORE than McGrady? This is the first thing I've seen you do that I can actually say is absurd.
AI PLAYS 41 minutes a game. He puts his heart out on the floor. He gives it his all every game. That's why he is more productive than T-Mac.
AI- 26.4 PPG, 7.1 APG, 3 RPG, 1.95 SPG, 45% FG, 34% 3PT, 80% FT
T-Mac- 21.6 PPG, 5.9 APG, 5.1 RPG, 1.03 SPG, 41% FG, 29% 3PT, 68% FT
Take your 3 rebounds. I want the better player; Iverson.
thehemogoblin said 08/14, 09:47 PM
That's not just T-Mac. The way that the Rockets play defense, generally Shane Battier guards the more accomplished players to keep T-Mac out of foul trouble. Not to mention, the second game against Kobe, T-Mac was out.
I'm not trying to take away from Allen Iverson's accomplishments. Those 36 minute statistics serve a better use. Because the Denver Nuggets play at a tempo that's much faster than the league's average, the easiest way to knock down Iverson's stats but keep them in proportion is to knock back his minutes. Instead of me having to do math (which I've obviously shown not to be a strong suit), I just used a nice flat, provided ratio.
The Nuggets had the second worst defense in the NBA, and that's including Marcus Camby (who won the Defensive Player of the Year award just two seasons ago), so how does that reflect on the rest of that team's defense? Quite poorly. When your backcourt is only 6' and 6'3, you're going to get overshadowed by every team in the NBA, which is why the 6'8'' McGrady is better than Iverson on defense. Iverson gambles for steals a lot, it overinflates his numbers.
Oh, and T-Mac's never been arrested, he has no criminal baggage. No distractions.
0x NBA/NFL Champion said 08/15, 01:24 AM
Shane Battier was SECOND in the Defensive Player of the Year voting. He might have been guarding those guys as the season progressed, but T-Mac had his chance. Because I guarantee Battier wouldn't be getting 25 dropped on him left and right.
Actually, McGrady DID play the second time. He even started the game. He missed the next two games; but he did come back to play Miami, and promptly got 31 dropped on him by D-Wade.
And even in that offense, Iverson manages to play 41+ minutes a game. And even within that style of play, Iverson manages to play better defense than people give him credit for; better than T-Mac. And even with notorious "scorers" Carmelo, Kenyon Martin, J.R. Smith, etc.; AI managed to score. A lot. And drop dimes. A lot.
One person doesn't make an entire defense. An especially a SG. Boston had one of the best, and it carried them to the title. Is Ray Allen really a superb defender? Iverson CREATES TO's; and creates more possessions for the team.
Iverson is a leader; someone who plays his heart out every game. He is an MVP; someone who has led his team OUT of the 1st round and into the NBA Finals. And he is better and more suited than Tracy McGrady.
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