- 08/20/2008, 12:59PM ET
boltsfan said 08/20, 12:59 PM
I think that it would be a good idea. There is a lot of good special team players that get ruined by being placed on O or D because it is hard to justify their roster spot for a special teams specialist.
Dante Hall and Tim Dwight are the first two that pop to my mind.
Both players were exceptional in the KR dept., but as soon as they were put in the regular rotation at WR they pretty much fell off of the map.
Lifer: Metallica Sucks! said 08/20, 01:07 PM
No, because this would be abused.
Let's look at my Bills. Their kick returner is Terrance McGee, who also happens to be the starting CB on the team. Their punt returner is Roscoe Parrish, who is the slot receiver (#3 receiver) on offense.
Now let's say these additional "Special Teams" roster spots are created. The Bills decide to place both McGee and Parrish into these roster spots. All of the sudden, the regular roster has two more open spots for whoever the Bills want.
This would all be fine and good, except that there are NO RULES on who has to play where. There is nothing holding the Bills back from still having the Bills play Terrance McGee at CB and Roscoe Parrish at WR. So the only thing that has changed now is the Bills have two extra roster spots.
Here's the deal: EVERY TEAM has to deal with these same roster situations. Every team has a returner that might take up a spot. If your team has trouble staying healthy, that's where FA and the practice squad come in. And you also might want to consider a new trainer.
boltsfan said 08/20, 01:59 PM
I apologize, I should have clarified. Unlike other postions, the players with this designation would only be able to play at that position for the games they are designated.
Your Bills coaching staff would probably be thrilled to have roster spots for special teamers so they wouldn't have to use starters. There isn't a coach in the league that would have a starter as a returner if they had even an equal option somewhere else.
This would open the NFL up to a lot of players that wouldn't normally get a shot. It would also make the draft a lot more interesting. People tend to forget the importance of the kick returners. A good kick returner gives you 1,000yds or more per season.
Every team would still have to deal with roster problems. Kick returners are not immune from injury. If your specialist is injured, you would have to designate someone else while they are out.
Since the NFL Europe closed shop the NFL did away with the roster exemptions for the allocated players, so this would just be giving back those roster spots.
Lifer: Metallica Sucks! said 08/20, 05:25 PM
So...they can ONLY play that Special Teams position?
That opens a whole new can of worms. How can the Bills put guys like McGee and Parrish on that list? All of the sudden, the Bills are out of a #1 CB and a #3 WR?
And even if they put cover specialists on that list, that still takes away a spot for, say, a backup WR or a backup LB, or a backup RB. Even if you re-sign new players to back up those roles, they probably aren't going to be as good as the backups you had, and you'd have to pay for more players than is allowed right now, which means some teams wouldn't have the cap room.
There's also the...well, pointlessness of the whole thing. What is the purpose of this? How does this help teams? You might as well just expand the roster instead of expand just a certain aspect.
It's also pointless in the sense that why are some Special Teams players going on the list but not all? This relates to my previous point of just expanding the roster instead of doing something like this.
And what urgent need is there of this? Teams are getting by just fine right now as far as special teams goes. All opening roster spaces does is limit certain players and water down the league.
boltsfan said 08/20, 06:00 PM
Look, I didn't say there was an urgent need. I think that it would add to the entertainment value of the game.
Your an idiot if you think that that the Bills, or any other team, would have a starter on special teams if it wasn't an absolute neccessity!! Those two players return kicks ONLY because none of the positional back-ups are a good enough option. So NO, the Bills wouldn't be out a #1 CB and Parrish is actually a perfect example for my arguement. Parrish is a marginal slot receiver at best, but last year he averaged 16.3yds on 27 returns with 8 of those going for 20+ and 1 going for a TD. That means that almost 1/3 of his punt returns went for 20+!!!!!!!! Now tell me that you wouldn't want him concentrating on being a punt returner. You can find another slot receiver that can give you 25 to 35 catches.
As far as the salary cap goes
A. Now that teams have figured it out, nobody (except the Raiders) is having salary cap issues.
B. It would obviously be increased as it is based on the number of roster spots.
Only certain players would go on the list because they are unique. It would be KR, PR and possibly a Gunner.
Lifer: Metallica Sucks! said 08/20, 06:45 PM
YOU'RE an idiot if you think Parrish and McGee are just stopgaps. Parrish led the league last year in Punt Return average, and McGee has 5 career Kick Return TDs, not to mention a Pro Bowl appearance as a return man.
And there are other guys, like MJD and Wes Welker. Most other return men play another important role on their team, from backup RB (Rock Cartwright, Ahmad Bradshaw, Correll Buckhalter, Leon Washington, Jerious Norwood), starting/backup WR (Welker, Nate Burleson, Ted Ginn, Antwaan Randle El, Patrick Crayton, etc), CBs (Rossum, McQuarters, Woodson)...guys like Cribbs and Hester aren't the norm, they're the exception.
Would I want Parrish concentrating on being a returner ONLY? Of course not, because he plays a vital role on offense as well. If he concentrated only on special teams, I might get an extra 2 yards per return, but I lose everything he does on O.
And now you also want to propose raising the salary cap? This rule requires way too much fine tuning of everything but itself, and the upside isn't all that high. No, this rule isn't worth it.
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