Throwdowns > Closed

PissOff said 12/03, 11:16 AM
At first I was going to use Ricky Williams for all of New Orlean's draft choices, but then I noticed that Washington did as much with those draft choices as Pitt does with a woman on Saturday night. Hard to be lopsided when New Orleans appears to still have gotten the best end of the deal.

So that led me to the real shame of it all, and that is the Colts trading Marshall Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and 5th round selection. How absolutely stupid was that? Its like trading a Harvard education for Bconngemini's brain.

Marshall Faulk went on to be a superstar running back, top choice of fantasy drafts, Super Bowl champion..and oh yeah, future Hall of Famer.

And who did Indianapolis get with those draft choices? Well, a great player named Adrian Peterson....wait, that's Mike Peterson, Adrian's older brother. Yeah, I don't remember him either.

Well then, how about DE Brad Scioli? I know.....who? Well he did average 2 sacks a year in his short time on the Colts roster.

Simple question: Would you trade Faulk for M. Peterson and Scioli? That's what I thought. But the Colts did. If it was the last 15 years, Elway. But the last 10.....Faulk.

PissOff said 12/03, 01:32 PM
Well, to be perfectly honest: The Gruden deal was not a trade. You can't trade a coach. But I'll go with it anyway, just to humor you.

Actually, by your standards, ANY COACH would have won the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, since they used Dungy's team, as you said. Then what happened to the team that traded away all of their draft choices in the next couple of years?

Simple equation. What do the numbers 35-44 mean to you? No, not Porkins' pants length and waist size. That's Jon Gruden's record in the years FOLLOWING the Super Bowl win with Dungy's team. That includes THREE losing seasons out of 5, and one 1 game over .500, and zero playoff wins. Not exactly a glaring example of a great trade. Tampa gave up their future with that trade, and has paid the price ever since. Sure, they are winning this year, but they could just as easily finish 9-7 again, with one little QB injury.

So if ANYONE could have won the Super Bowl with Dungy's team, as you have said....and Marshall Faulk leading his team to two Super Bowls, winning one of them....it is clear that the Faulk trade was much more lo9psided.

Gruden was going to be fired anyway, according to Al Davis.

PissOff said 12/03, 03:31 PM
When you have to use the word "effectively" in your opening line, then you know as well as I do that you might as well type "I was wrong".

As for "any coach"....you said it, not me. You said he won with another coach's team, and he had nothing to do with it. I'm glad to see you've changed your mind on that.

Where is Tampa NOW? Well, with the easiest schedule in the NFL, you're right. They probably won't lose their last 4. But if they lose Garcia, they certainly might. And all that means is that they'll have a tough schedule next season, and suck again. Trust, as a fan since 1996, I think I have a little more insight over a New York guy.

Did the MVP ever win a Super Bowl without Faulk? Just wondering. Let me know.

As for telling me what the Colts did with James at running back, you are again admitting that you are losing the argument. If they had drafted James with one of those two draft picks, you MIGHT have an argument. But they didn't. And the TD is about a lopsided TRADE, is it not? Or did you change the paramaters of the argument quicker than Fizzle changes excuses for why he can't get laid?

All the Colts needed to do was pay him. They wouldn't.