- 12/08/2008, 06:52AM ET
rstowe-GONE said 12/08, 06:52 AM
Number 1: Yankees/Red Sox - this rivalry has pretty much been going on since Henry Frazee sold the Babe to the Yankees back in 1920. It was pretty much dominated by the Yankees until a couple of years ago. Today, it is the most hated rivalry in sports by non-fans of the Yankees or Red Sox due to the coverage across the country, however, these 2 teams are always going to be rivals due to the fierce drive of both franchises and their players to always win.
Number 2: Dodgers/Giants - although this rivalry hasn't meant much to the records of each team lately, this rivalry goes back to the days when both teams were at the top while in New York. The New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers were the 2 best teams not named the Yankees for a long stretch of time and when they both moved to California, this tradition continued.
Number 3: Cubs/Cardinals - another rivalry that goes back years. Once again, it appears this is a rivalry that doesn't affect the standings much either year, however, you have some of the most diehard fans in MLB in this rivalry - the loveable losers in the Cubs and some of the most knowledgeable fans in the Cardinals.
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The Ram said 12/08, 01:47 PM
Rstowe vs. Adult Depends
Even though rstowe has been soiling them for the last 50 years, the Depends always seem to get the better of this matchup inflicting diaper rash and constantly failing at inopportune times.
"Baseball" rivalries. Sorry, I missed that part of the title.
Anyway. I'd love to make more than 1 change to your list, but there's really no debating Yankees/Red Sox, and Giants/Dodgers.
I will take issue with your number 3, however.
Third best Rivalry:
Dodgers vs Yankees.
This rivalry may not sizzle for younger fans, but historically it is unequaled. The Yankees from the Bronx and the Dodgers from Brooklyn were heated cross-town rivals. Their 11 World Series matchups (Most by far between any two teams) have provided some of the most memorable and formative moments in baseball history. Reggie Jackson's becoming Mr. October, the first televised World Series, The Cookie game, Jackie Robinson stealing home, Don Larsen's perfect game, Kofax's 15 strikeout game, rookie Fernando Valenzuela turning the '81 series, and many others.
The original Subway Series has been played out with the highest possible stakes.
rstowe-GONE said 12/08, 01:57 PM
Nice pick with the Dodgers/Yankees...however there is a bigger problem with that "rivalry" than TFo's Mom finding a flatbed truck big enough to carry her to her annual checkup at the doctor and a forklift driver to get her out of bed...
That issue? The Dodgers/Yankees only played each other in the World Series and now only during interleague play when the AL East has to play the NL West. The Cubs/Cards face each other 15 or more so times a year. What leads to a rivalry becoming better? Familiarity. The more you see of a person (or team) the more you hate them (which explains why none of the fast-food places around Porkins likes to see him coming down the street).
The reason the Yankees/Red Sox is so good for example as a rivalry? They play each other 19 times a year, not counting the playoffs and the games mean something. When the Dodgers play the Yankees (not counting the World Series), the games are just 3 or 4 out of 162 every 3 years. A rivalry isn't built on that few of games.
The Ram said 12/08, 02:34 PM
While playing more frequently can help a rivalry, that is not the only component. Kansas City plays Minnesota 18 times a year, but no one cares...Why?
Because, like T-Fo's mom, they suck.
That is what really kills the Cardinals/ Cubs "rivalry." They play often, but too often they're playing for nothing.
Here is the breakdown. Since both teams began playing in the same division (1892), they have both finished in the top 3 in their division a total of 18 times. In 117 seasons! So 16% of the time there is actually a NL or NL East race that involves both teams. The VAST majority, 84%, of the time they are playing for nothing--just jockeying for last place. They've never met in the playoffs, and both teams have finished with winning records only 26% of the time.
Just because Peachy squares off with Joe Dew 5 times a week that does not make it a great rivalry.
To consider the Cubs part of a "great rivalry" is to ignore their complete incompetence over the past century. It's hard to consider something a rivalry when one team never wins.
Yankees/Dodgers have played more meaningful games against each other than Cubs/Cards even though they seldom meet.
rstowe-GONE said 12/08, 02:40 PM
What makes a rivalry isn't just the games - it is also the fans involved. In the Cubs/Cardinals you have some of the best fans in MLB - the loveable losers of the Cubs and who many people consider the most knowledgeable fans in all of MLB for the Cardinals.
Dodgers/Yankees fans haven't cared about that rivalry since the Dodgers got out of town quicker than Frank P being sent an invite to a family reunion.
The fans of the cardinals/cubs know that even though the games themselves don't matter in the big picture, they do want to finish ahead of the other at the end of the year, and lately, both these teams have been contending for either the division or wild card deep into August/September.
You said it's hard to consider something a rivalry when one team never wins yet you have no problem with having the Yankees/Red Sox as your number 1 rivalry when that "rivalry" was dominated by the Yankees for 80+ years....did you forget you said that or do you need to borrow some of my gingko biloba and other assorted Alzheimer's meds to restore your memory?
The Ram said 12/08, 03:25 PM
So now you want to define a rivalry as whether or not the fanbase is passionate about it right this second?
A rather self serving argument, and completely contrary to the title of the TD...you know, the "all-time" part? Consider the passion of the NY fanbase in the 1940's and 1950's. That is just as relevant as today when discussing "all-time." An intra-city matchup where two teams are meeting in the World Series year after year is as tense, divisive, and rancorous a scenario as you can imagine for a fanbase.
There are only a few matchups involving original teams that have survived the numerous realignment and divisional changes. That does not mean those matchups are automatically the best rivalries. You haven't given a single stat, memorable moment, pennant race, or game to prove your point, likely because they are few and far between (like visits from your great grandkids--face it, no one wants to hear whining about the nurses stealing your stuff).
The Yankees/Dodgers have generated more memorable MLB history in 11 World Series than the Cubs/Cards have in "117 years of forgettable mediocrity" (funny coincidence--that's also T-Fo's mom's slogan).
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