- 12/14/2008, 11:00AM ET
JB: said 12/14, 11:00 AM
It would be hard to argue with any of the quarterbacks winning the heisman. however, i think bradford is the most deserving.
The definition of the heisman trophy is "the best player in college football"
Unlike pro sports, this does not mean the player that is most valuable.
Had this been the case, Colt McCoy should have won it because Texas would be a 7-5 team without him.
Bradford had 1000 more passing yards than McCoy and 2000 more than Tebow.
Bradford had 16 more passing TD's than McCoy and 20 more than Tebow.
I also think you have to throw out Tebow because the SEC had a down year. Tennesse, LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn all had bad years. The Big 12 was the best conference by far this year.
Hi Im Peter King said 12/14, 12:30 PM
There's not a question in my mind whether or not he deserved it, the question is did he deserve over the likes of Tebow or McCoy.
I think not.
I agree with you whole heartedly that the Heisman award is for the best college player, not the most valuable or most popular, but the best college player didn't win.
Sure stats-wise Bradford should have won. But as we all know stats don't matter much, what matters in the way of the quarterback position is leadership plain and simple. leadership i don't see in Bradford. He was just a lynchpin on an excellent team the same goes for McCoy, both had amazing all Americans on both sides.
Now lets look at the Ex-Heisman winner, mostly uknown freshman and sophmores, Tim Tebow singlehandedly, lead the team to arguably the toughest schedule of the three, and still came out ranked no.1 on the stregnth of his legs and arm. say whatever you want about the down year stats wise. Winning's all that matters
JB: said 12/14, 05:11 PM
Leadership is a foggy topic. We dont know how much of a leader Bradford is in the locker room. I imagine a pretty good one. Sure he doesn't rally the crowd in Norman or giving a pep talk to his special teams unite, like Tebow does in Gainesville, but his leadership is subtle.
As for strength of schedule, Florida played Hawaii, Miami, and the Citadel in out of conference. LSU and georgia were highly overrated when Florida played them. Oklahoma beat Cincinnati by 26 (Orange Bowl team) and TCU by 25 (who's only other loss was to Utah) Bradford threw for a total of 9 touchdowns in these two games. Plus, it would be extremely hard to argue that the SEC was a better conference this year than the Big 12.
Sure the stats shouldn't determine the winner, but Sam Bradford's numbers show that he was game in and game out the best player in college football.
Hi Im Peter King said 12/14, 08:37 PM
I do agree leadership is a hard thing to judge especially between 2 quarterbacks, but isn't it obvious you have a true leader when the quarterback is giving a pep talk to the special teams and the defense as well as the offense.
I think there schedule was in no means overrated, Georgia wasn't ranked No.1 for no reason, and LSU has one of the top defenses in the country, and Tebow still had a 3 Td Game against them.
Your last statement made absolutely no sense, if the stats make dont determine the winner, then why are we looking at his stats to determine hes the best player in college football?
Bottom line Tebow should have won the award over Bradford, Heisman is for the best college player, and Tebow is one of the greatest college Quarterbacks of all time.
JB: said 12/14, 09:28 PM
Cant argue that Tebow will go down as one of the best Qb's in college football history. Also is one of the most unique players we have seen play the game. Bradford should get some credit for the numbers he's put up in just two years (7,585 Yards, 84 TD's, 14 Picks) Tebow's numbers just dont add up. And sure you and I know that there are more important things than stats, but thats what the American media loves.
Tebow's consideration for the heisman was based on his success from a year ago. He had a very solid season in '08, but he was in NYC for name alone. His passing yards were down 700, pass TD's down 7, rush yards down 300, and rush td's down 11.
Hi Im Peter King said 12/14, 10:32 PM
I'm not saying Bradford doesn't deserve credit for an amazing season, im not even saying he didnt deserve the heisman, what i am saying is Tim Tebow was more deservant of the award for what he did for the Florida Gators, and of course stats are a very easy and sure way to judge a player but stats aren't all that counts, especially in regards to the Heisman.
Again your making these snap judgements on Tebow, his success last season had nothing to do with his success this one, i agree he had a much better year stats-wise (just look at them) but he matured as a leader and quarterback of that team, something Bradford did not do. Tebow was more deservant for the Heisman not only because of his leadership abilities on and off field, but because he was in fact a better Football player than Bradford
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