- 12/30/2008, 11:45PM ET
Canadian Eh : NoelDevineFTW said 12/30, 11:45 PM
Should athletes be punished for celebrating their accomplishments?
My opinion is positively not - to an extent. The extent is so that it would not physically harm another (likely on the losing end) opponent.
With that cleared, so up why should they be allowed to, if you accomplished something and you feel good about it there should be no way anyone should have a problem with it. If they didn't want you to taunt they could've stopped you from making the "achievement" in the first place.
Right now this shouldn't even be an issue, athletes are not abusing this privilege which is best shown on Canada's destruction of Kazakhstan in the world juniors. They ended up winning the game 15-0 and after the 5th goal they no longer celebrated after goals and cheered on the opposing team when they accomplished something.
If the league were to completely ban athletes from celebrating they would have no league as any sport is based off the enjoyment of the game. If you don't enjoy your job why have it? There is such thing as excessive celebrating but it just adds excitement to the game not disgust.
PissOff said 12/31, 10:18 AM
As my Pop Warner coach used to quote: "When you score a touchdown, act like you've been there before". Being happy is fine. Heck, the Lambeau Leap is fine. But there comes a point where the league needs to step in and control things, because it appears that when athletes are left to their own devices, they have no clue where to stop.
Ex: Joe "Blow My Own" Horn, hides a cell phone in the goal post padding and retrieves it after scoring a touchdown, in a game his team won 45-7. Kind of like the Canadian juniors winning 15-0. But Joe Horn doesn't have the class that Canadian junior soccer team has. So the league has to step in and remind him that he is stupid.
Now, how would you feel about the junior soccer team if they had all removed their shirts and ran around the field taunting the Kasakhstan team after goals 13, 14 and 15? Would you still be as proud of them and bragging about the class they showed?
No profesional league has any thoughts about permanently banning ALL celebrations. What they say is "show some class" when you celebrate. Jump in the stands, throw the ball to the fans, do the "body five"with a teammate, then act like you've been there before.
Canadian Eh : NoelDevineFTW said 12/31, 02:58 PM
K well i'll excuse your misspelling of Kazakhstan and the fact that you didn't know that they were playing hockey not soccer.
I can agree that the league does need to step in time to time but not anywhere close to as often as they are putting there foot in now.
Ex: Chris Johnson playing the bongo's after his run against KC. A rookie in the league breaks a big run on well a less than average run defense and simply plays the bongo's. Chris Johnson wasn't upset, the Chiefs team wasn't upset heck even the KC fans weren't upset. So then why should the league be upset if a very small minority does. Fining a rookie 10k when he's making millions does not make any point its just a way to get back a little bit of money.
"There???s no fun in this league. I was trying to have fun and they want to penalize us for having fun.??? - Chris Johnson
This is one of the truest things about this subject I've heard because thats all the athletes are doing they accomplish something and celebrate it, if there was no celebrating accomplishments there would be no highlight films or those pretty looking game reviews on the day after the game on tv.
PissOff said 12/31, 03:11 PM
Ahh, you'll excuse it but put it in the first line of your reply I see. Hitting an "S", which is right over a "Z" on a small keyboard is easy...and mistaking a hockey team for a soccer teams changes nothing on the argument.
Which league are you talking about in your second sentence? Some leagues let things go much further than others. Here's your answer for Chris Johnson though: The league says "NO PROPS". Bongos are props. Chris Johnson knew the rule. He had to be fined because he intentionally broke the rule. The league didn't just step in, they taught a rookie that a big run against a bad defense isn't that big of a deal. Grow up and pretend like you are an adult, Chris.
Even afterwards, Johnson admits in your quote that he still doesn't get it. He thinks they are penalizing him for having fun, while the league is simple enforcing the rule. "Hey, I grabbed his facemask, but it was, you know, all in fun".
No professional league currently prohibits "celebrating". The Ickey Shuffle, dunking the football over the goalpost, ripping off the jersey in soccer, high fiving your whole bench in hockey...all allowed. Just don't use props. That's all they say.
Canadian Eh : NoelDevineFTW said 12/31, 04:54 PM
With Chris Johnson fining a player 0.00083% of his contract does absolutely nothing to teach him a lesson all it does is hurt the game as no fans had any problem with it, no players wen't on the air saying it was uncalled for and his coach did not bench or suspend him.
My second sentence refers to the NFL, that is because it is the main professional league with this "celebration" problem. In the NHL a player is known for his over the top celebration, Alexander Ovechkin after almost every goal goes nuts and everyone loves him for it. Why? Because it shows even with the plethora of money he's receiving he still has a huge love for the game.
That is what celebrating an achievement does, it shows the player still loves the game and even with all the money they will still give it there all.
I don't ever recall a player celebrating for grabbing a facemask, so you bringing it up has no real meaning. Johnson does think they are penalizing him for having fun but along with that celebration he brought excitement to the game which is something the league should wan't if they wan't to grow their audience.
Happy New Years.
PissOff said 12/31, 05:04 PM
I see, so as long as you can afford the fine, you should never be fined. I make XX dollars per year. A $65 speeding ticket means nothing to me. So why does the State of Colorado insist on giving me one for doing 85 MPH at midnight with no other cars on the road? Simple: BECAUSE I BROKE THE RULES. They can't make a rule that says "We will determine whether the prop was wrong or not after the fact", just as they can't say they'll take the time of day and traffic into account for my speeding ticket. The rule in the NFL is simple: ONE PERSON/NO PROPS. It really isn't that difficult.
Since you brought up hockey...why can't the Redwings throw octopus on the ice after every goal? Oh, rules. Sorry, forgot about that. Ovechkin can celebrate just like a Packers WR can do the Lambeau Leap. Both are perfectly legal within the rules. I'm glad you're finally understanding. What Ovechkin CANNOT do is leave the ice, run up in the stands, and throw coke bottles on the ice to celebrate. That would be against the rules.
The NFL audience is world wide and growing every year. The rules against stupidity have helped, not urt that growth. It is Johnson that needs to GROW...up.
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