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BSchwartz07 said 07/05, 03:19 PM
When it comes to backups no one compares to Michael Turner of the San Diego Chargers. He is a top back in the NFL, and unfortunately he won???t see the top of the depth chart because he has on of the greats of all time in front of him. He got quite a pit of press this offseason, but no one would give the Chargers enough to get rid of him.
Here is a look at his stats.
157 Carries
941 Yards
5 TD
6.0 Yards per Carry
And last season he had
80 Carries
502 Yards
2 TD
6.3 Yards Per Carry
Compare that with Larry Johnson of the Chiefs
416 Carries
1789 Yards
17 TD
4.3 Per carry
I show you this b/c at Turner's rate had he gotten 416 carries his stats would read
416 Carries
2620 Yards
10 TD
Not too shabby.
By the 2008 season Turner will be a starting RB in the NFL. And if he keeps this up he will be a good one at that.
Mac Has Left FN (For Now) said 07/05, 04:15 PM
Turner is a great backup, a great compliment to LT. But Im going to go with the little bowling ball in Maurice Jones Drew. He is also a Top back in the NFL from what we saw from him in 2006. He had to sit behind the veteran Fred Taylor and will more than likely see a lot more touches in 07-08.
His stats from 2006:
166 Rushing Attempts
941 Yards
13 TD's
5.7 Yard Per Carry
MJD has the exact same amount of Rush Yards in his 1st season as does Turner in his 3 year career. And thats with only 9 more attempts. MJD has 8 more TD's, and only .3 less Yards Per Carry Av. MJD is much more of a threat than Turner on the ground.
The big breaker to me is how MJD is a dual threat. In Turner's 3 year career, he has only 7 receptions for 55 Yards and 0 TD's. In MJD's rookie season he had 46 Receptions for 436 Yards, and 2 TD's. That shows that MJD is a complete back. Turner has had 3 years to establish himself and Jones Drew blanks him in his rookie season.
Jones Drew did more in his rookie season than Turner has done in his 3 year career. He's played 43 games, and MJD produced more in rushing and receiving in 16 games.
Advantage: "The Little Bowling Ball" MJD
BSchwartz07 said 07/05, 04:45 PM
Jones- Drew is no back up. I???m sorry but he is part of a 2 RB formation. In that case you could argue Reggie Bush, Marion Barber or Tatum Bell. All players that were a part of a 2 RB team.
Come on, 231 carries for Fred Taylor to 166 for Jones-Drew. Teams that ran with a starter and a back up look like this
LT- 348 Attempts
Jamal Lewis- 314 Attempts
Rudi Johnson- 341 Attempts
Larry Johnson- 416 attempts
I could go on, but my point here is that your boy is no back up. I can not argue Reggie Wayne, or another #2 WR, so do not try to pass this off.
And to add to everything the most important stat to a RB should be yards per carry. And with that Turner???s 6.3 has your boy beat. Had Turner been given the ball 166 times he would have racked up 1485 yards. The only thing that is even here is that YPC. You can not expect to get as many carries behind one of the greatest RBs of all time.
Mac Has Left FN (For Now) said 07/05, 04:53 PM
How is he not a backup? He is listed as the #2 back in Jacksonville and doesnt get the majority of the carries. He is therefore a backup.
Reggie Wayne doesnt qualify as a backup because he's on the field every play. MJD is not. He is on the bench a lot waiting his turn.
MJD has more production in rushing, receiving, and that is in 16 games of his rookie season compared to 3 seasons and 43 games for Turner. MJD is a backup and so is Turner. And once again, MJD is overwhelmingly better overall than Turner.
BSchwartz07 said 07/05, 05:20 PM
You are comparing Apples to Oranges.
Turner had
4 games with 10 or more carries
Only 80 attempts on the entire season
6.3 yards per carry
3 Receptions on the season for 47 Yards (an average of 15.7 yards a catch)
964 Return yards
Jones Drew
7 Games with 10 or more carries
2 with 20 or more carries
5.7 yards per carry
46 Receptions
Average of 9.5 yards a catch.
My point is that had Turner had the opportunity he could put up those numbers. You are saying that he has been in more games, SO WHAT! 2nd string QB???s hold kicks does that count as games in a career? Don???t think so.
Bottom line the only way to compare these to is to go to the averages.
Jones Drew
5.7 a carry
9.5 a catch
Turner
6.3 a carry
15.7 a catch
Advantage Turner
Mac Has Left FN (For Now) said 07/05, 05:31 PM
Apples to Oranges? Im not trying to compare their 2006 #'s. Im comparing MJD's rookie season to all of Turner's career. And like I've stated, MJD bowls over him. A 43-16 game differential is a big deal. Dont "So What" that point. Its a big point. Thats a huge gap and a huge gap in production. Turner having 3 catches and a nice average isnt that great. MJD had 39 more catches and a great average, advantage MJD. I cant stress it anymore than I have...MJD has one season under his belt and has more production than Turner. Period. Once again: Advantage Maurice Jones Drew
And bringing up a 2QB who holds kicks, that is completely way off base.
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MJD is not a back up,
and Turner doesn't play nearly as much so you can't count games in the league, COME ON pick a tre back up.
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