- 01/05/2009, 01:41AM ET
**March Madness of Throwdowns**Most deserving player for the MLB HoF that is eligible but not yet in
wildbill21475 said 01/05, 01:41 AM
In my opinion the most deserving player that is eligible for the MLB HoF is Bobby Bonds. Forget for a minute the stigma attached to the name Bonds when everyone discusses Barry.
His pops is deserving in his own right. He had a combination of power and speed that was rare for his time. He had 5 30HR/30 SB seasons in his career, and missed having 5 more 30/30 seasons by less that 5 hr or stolen bases in those respective seasons. Sure there are a lot of guys in and out of the Hall that had more homers, stolen bases, better batting averages, gold gloves, and other stats. There are very few in the hall that have the combination of what Bobby brought to the table though.
He is one of 6 players in the 300/300 club of which 1 is in the Hall already (Mays) one will be (Barry) one that arguably has the numbers to be(Dawson) and 2 that aren't eligible.
3x Gold Glove winner
Top 3 in runs scored 6x
The one big knock against Bonds is that he struck out a lot, but his overal numbers are comparable with guys in the hall already such as Kirby Puckett specifically.
Resistance is Foos-tile said 01/05, 01:28 PM
Bert Blyleven... Is currently the "Most deserving player for the MLB HoF that is eligible but not yet in"
Look at the big 3 Stats for starting pitchers...
3701 Strikeouts - 5th all time
287 Wins - 27th all time
60 Shutouts - 9th all time
Only 1 pitcher ranks above Blyleven in all those 3 categories and that is Nolan Ryan.
The fact that Blyleven isn't in the Hall Of fame yet is a mystery after being on 12 HOF ballots.
Yes he didn't win 300 games, yes he lost 250 games and yes he only has 1 20 win season...
but he won 15+ games 10 times, and was on some very bad teams, had 242 complete games and an era of 3.31 when the league average over his career was 3.90.
The 3701 strikeouts alone should put him in the Hall.
wildbill21475 said 01/06, 12:37 AM
Blyleven is a good pick. However if Blyleven is elected then why not Tommy John or Jim Kaat. They both had numbers just as good as Blyleven.
Tommy John had 288 wins, 46 shutouts, 3 20-win season, 3.34era
Jim Kaat had 283 wins, 31 shutouts, 3 20-win seasons, 3.45era
Both John and Kaat had better era+ than Blyleven and there really isn't anyone calling for either one of them to be nominated into the Hall of Fame
Kaat and John both had better win percentages, less losses, gave up less homers, had less earned runs, and walked less batters despite both of them playing in more games than Bert so if he should be in and its some kind of injustice that he isn't why isn't there the same kind of mention for both John and Kaat?
Blyleven also had 10 seasons in which he lost more games than he won out of his 22 total season. Yeah he had 10 seasons of 15 wins but he also had 7 where he lost more than 15 compared to Johns 2 seasons of 15+ losses, and Kaats 1 season of 15+ losses.
Neither one of them are in the Hall so why should Blyleven be there?
Resistance is Foos-tile said 01/06, 08:58 AM
"Kaat and John...had less earned runs"
Tommy John 3.34
Jim Kaat 3.45
My friend a lower ERA is better for a pitcher, not a higher one. Blyleven's was lower & therfore better.
"Blyleven also had 10 seasons in which he lost more games than he won out of his 22"
That's only 5 seasons not 10. Are you seeing double?
No matter how close John, Kaat & Blyleven are in wins & ERA Blyleven blows them out of the water in K's, Complete Games & Shutouts
John - 2245
Kaat - 2461
Blyleven - 3701
John - 162
Kaat - 180
Blyleven - 242
John - 46
Kaat - 31
Blyleven - 60
With his K's, Complete Games & Shutouts, Blyleven should be in the HOF.
Bobby Bonds only hit 332HR's, had a career .268 avg, only hit .300 once (1970 .302) & struck out over 130 times in 9 of his 14 seasons. He led the league in striking out 3 times & was in the top 3, 6 others.
He never led the league in any major offensive category in his career. Yet you feel that he is HOF material.
This is the Hall Of Fame...not the Hall Of Mediocre.
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