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good topic

I have a feeling I am going to like this TD

i think throwing them in towards the end or middle of their first season is pretty good. They're gonna fail at first (unless they're VY), so get it out of the way at first. But I don't support throwing them in there the first game or anything.

There is alot of compelling evidence out there to support both ways of thinking. I think it's a crap shoot either way. Some QB's need to get in there & start mixing it up while others need awhile watching & learning ... sometimes more than just a year. I'll vote "throw 'em in there" for this time simply because of my man, Vince Young.
Dan TM ... Big Ben has faired very nicely. Do you happen to remember a Super Bowl win in his second year??

"he other 1st-round picks from those two years, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, JP Losman, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, and Rex Grossman haven't fared nearly so well."

While I would tend to agree with that statement, I believe that Ben Roethlisberger has won a Super Bowl and Rex Grossman has been to one. Neither of those things is true for Philip Rivers or Carson Palmer. Just a little tidbit to point out.

In off-topic news, hook'em_10 is from Trinidad, CO, the sex-change capital of the United States (I'm from Fort Morgan, CO, myself). Just FYI, in case you really wanted to know.

I think it depends on the situation. I think you should always start a veteran at least the first couple of games. If you're team starts falling behind in the playoff race, why not put in the rookie? It may be a spark to your team (see VY) or it may just help him gain experience for next year.

Classic throwdown in the making right here.

Who needs a throwdown? The votes are already coming in without an argument!

I can't vote on this. Manning started right away and Palmer held the clip board his first year. They both are great QBs playing right now. Its all about the maturity of the player. John Elway started right away while Favre was sat his first year and was traded.

Yeah, good call, jim.

Dan, I'll give you Eli, Leftwich and Losman, but don't bring Ben into this if you want to make a valid argument. Fact is, he destroys your theory, and I'm surprised you would have bothered to bring him up.

Roethlisberger came in his rookie year, completed 66 percent of his passes, and won 15 straight games - or simply put, he was the best rookie QB in league history by FAR. Not quite sure how you could put Phillip Rivers' first season starting even close to that category. Nothing against Rivers, but you're blind if you think he had a more successful first season than Roethlisberger did, and Rivers watched and learned for two YEARS, Ben watched for six quarters.

you know, I really wish they'd lock the voting until both members have argued.

Roethlisberger did win 15 games in year 1 and won a super bowl year 2, however that running game and the defense is what got them those wins. Grossman has shown that he can be very good and very bad, depending on if he has plans later that day (see Packers game). However his team got to the super bowl because of a great defense and solid run game. I don't have any numbers but I believe the Bengals finished 8-8 during Palmer's first year on the field. They started slow (winning just 1 of the first 5 games) but ended up winning most of the second half of the season. If Palmer had started at the end of the previous season and gotten some experience would the Bengals have made the playoffs that year? Hard topic to debate....

It all on the player and situation type

i'd say if the season is lost have them play half the game either start them at the begining or after half time

Oh, believe me, if I could argue anything I wanted to on this topic, I'd say "rookie QBs should only start if nothing's on the line for the team, to give them game speed experience." But I was assigned this topic for a tournament, so I had to pick one argument or the other.

Roethlisberger's 98.1 QB rating his rookie season (beating Marino's rookie record of 96) was not helped at all by his team's defense. Either way, he is the standard by which a fantastic rookie quarterback is measured. It's ridiculous to suggest "he didn't fare all that well," no rookie QB ever did it better. Since he didn't sit a year, it's very difficult to read him listed as a reason why a rookie QB should sit. Rivers sat for TWO years, and STILL didn't put up Roethlisberger's rookie rating.

Ok, you're right, I shouldn't have included Roethlisberger in that list since we were talking about first seasons. But Big Ben (in 2004) threw just over 2/3 the number of passes Rivers did (in 2006) - the ridiculous number of run plays the Steelers called took a lot of coverage off of the receivers.

This could shape up to be a great throwdown, hopefully Hook'em 10 will reply soon.

Just noticed this was started three days ago. If Hook'em 10 doesn't reply by July 12 at 11:59:59 PM it will be counted as a forfeit.