- 01/22/2009, 07:10PM ET
travis31 said 01/22, 07:10 PM
1) Bart Starr-QB
This one was pretty easy. Only QB to EVER lead a team to 5 SBs, and a 2-time SB MVP. 4 time Pro Bowler, 1 time All-Pro. Starr win the first 2 SBs and defeated rival AFL teams in 1966 and 1967. No debate Starr is best Bama NFL player of all time.
2) Don Hutson-WR
Great all around player in the NFL, I was very close to putting him No 1. I couldnt believe some of the stats I found researching this TD....
488 career catches
16.4 average yac.
172/184 career on PATs
scored 811 career points
2x NFL MVP
Held 18 major records at time of retirement
3) John Hannah-LG
Hannah has been called the greatest Lineman of all time by SI, and 2nd best by Sporting News, with good reason.
10x All Pro
9x Pro Bowler
1970s All Decade Team
1980s All Decade Team
Starting LG on NFL 75th anniversary team
Ok, that sums up my list, I'll agrue more in my next 2 arguments.
Good Luck Chosen1
Chosen1 said 01/23, 03:17 PM
3) Dwight Stephenson- center for the Dolphins
I find it hard to compare statistically a quarterback to a center so instead what I look at is historically who was better at their own individual position
During their own individual era's who was held higher at their position? To me I would have to say Stephenson
Starr played during the era of Unitas, Jurgensen, and Tarkenton all three of which I think a case can be made for them being better than Bart Starr
Stephenson on the other hand was the best center during the years that he played. Even if you do not consider him to be the best at the most you may find one other guy to argue against him with.
When speaking historically Stephenson ranks higher at the position of center than Starr does at quarterback.
Lets remember that is while Stephenson was on the Dolphins that he set the record for most passing yards in a season. It was also with Stephenson that Marino saw his greatest success having went to 5 straight pro bowls and didnt make another until 4 years after Stephenson left
more to come
travis31 said 01/23, 05:50 PM
I'd take Starr over any QB of your list.
Starr's season with the most picks was 17.
Starr has a higher than the other 3:
Single Season Rating
TD% for a single season
INT% for a single season (lower than other 3, not higher)
Ties Unitas for higest y/a of the group
2nd Highest single season completion% of the group
Starr is defintely right in the middle of that conversation. To dismiss him from the best group of QBs during his time is ridiculous.
Dwight Stephenson was a great player, but for somebody who only played 8 years in the NFL, can you honestly call him the 3rd best player of all time from Alabama over Bart Starr?
Stephenson was an All Pro and Pro Bowler for 5 years. People all the time say Kurt Warner only had 5 great years, and doesnt deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. I am by no means saying that DS doesnt belong in the HOF, but the 3rd best player to come from Alabama?
He had 5 great seasons. Not 10, not 15, but 5.
And you want to call him 3rd best player UA player of all time over Bart Starr?
Thats insane. 5 years doesnt make an NFL Career.
Chosen1 said 01/23, 08:37 PM
Hmmm I liked how you picked things like one season worth of int's to try and make a case
Sonny= best passing yards 3747
Unitas= best passing yards 3481
Tarkenton= best passing yards 3468
Starr= best passing yards 2438
All three guys I named had seasons where they threw for over 1000 more yards than Starr did in his best season.
Tarkenton 14 seasons of more yards than Starr's best
Unitas 10 seasons of more yards than Starr's best
Sonny 6 seasons of more yards than Starr's best
Tarkenton 342 passing td's
Unitas 290 passing td's
Sonny 255 passing td's
Starr 152 passing td's
We can do this all day fact is though Starr was not better than all three of those guys.
You didnt argue against me that Stephenson ranks higher all time at his position than Starr.
Stephenson's career cut short by an injury. What he gave us in those 5 years though was enough to put him as one of if not the greatest center of all time. He was the Dolphins captain on offense and with him the Dolphins gave up the least sacks in his last 5 seasons.
Im taking Stephenson
travis31 said 01/23, 11:27 PM
Wow, lets see:
BS career high in attempts: 295
SJ career high in attempts: 508
FT carer high in attempts:572
Jurgensen led the NFL in attempts 3x.
Tarkenton led the NFL in attempts 2x.
Bart Starr? Never.
Saying that Dwight ranks higher than Bart at their respective positions is irrelevant.
Name me all the great Centers of all time.
Now name all the great QBs of all time.
There are alot more QBs. DS is ranked higher at his position, but so what? There isnt exactly a huge line of all time great Centers.
No need for me to argue career Pass TDs. Starr played in a different system and had far less attempts. Pass TDs are not a good way to argue for your candidate.
DS had 5 great years. BS had 5 NFL championships.
Starr has a championship season to counter every single one of DS great years.
Which is greater: Being an All Pro, or leading your team to 5 NFL championships, including the first 2 and 2 over the rival AFL league.
Not even counting BS best years, he has something Stephenson cant counter.
When you compare players from different positions, things like things like this stick out.
Chosen1 said 01/24, 04:54 PM
Hmmmmm so the counter you made is well there are more all time great qbs than there are centers
Well yea when you think about it that is true.... There are more "great" quarterbacks than there are centers. Yet there is one center on the field and one quarterback on the field at the same time.
So why is it that despite there being the same amount of centers that there are quarterbacks people know so few centers names? The fact that Stephenson name is even one that many people know speaks volumes of how great the man was.
Oh here we go another rings argument.... Well Plunkett has 2 more rings than Marino, Fouts and Stephenson combined. So what he is better than all three of them right?
Rings are nice but they dont always say a whole lot now do they?
If Starr is so great why does he only have 4 pro bowl appearances and 1 first team all pro in 16 years?
Stephenson despite having only started most of the season in 6 seasons he made 5 straight pro bowls and 4 first team all pro teams.
this is the last time I try and throw a center at a quarterback in a throwdown.... I hope to do more throwdowns with you in the future man just on a better topic
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