- 02/17/2009, 06:30AM ET
Hyped78 said 02/17, 06:30 AM
4th round of the tourney, team lists in the 1st argument, argue later.
- The entire careers for these players count, not just this year or a specific year.
- We had a draft to pick these teams. My opponent, Redwing19 had the 5th pick in the draft, while I had the 14th and last pick (on the other hand, bear in mind that the draft worked like a snake draft)
PG - Baron Davis
SG - Rip Hamilton
SF - Paul Pierce
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Yao Ming
6th man - Manu Ginobili
The best of luck to you, Redwing!!!!!
Somebody of Note said 02/17, 07:01 PM
You don't need to be a prophet to figure out my first argument. Heck, even Helen Keller can see this one coming.
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Andre Iguodala
SF: Rashard Lewis
PF: David West
C: Dwight "Superman" Howard
6th: Tayshaun Prince
My team isn't the only thing I'll be listing though.
Offense: Dribble-Drive Motion
For the uninformed, this is the offensive style that was used by the University of Memphis last year with great success. It revolves around one post player playing under the basket (Howard), and four players on the perimeter. The point guard drives to the basket, then kicks out if pressured. It relies on the players' decision making, speed, and often explosiveness to score.
I think that is self-explanatory. Each player is tasked with defending another.
Good luck, Hyped! This one should be good.
Hyped78 said 02/18, 06:23 AM
I am going to be realistic:
- Your Tony Parker beats my Baron Davis (PG)
- Your Dwight Howard beats my Yao Ming (C)
But now we go to the other positions, where I think you lose:
- Rip Hamilton over Iguodala (SG) - Iguodala is a young star on the rise, but doesn't compare to Rip's career.
Rip has been one of the most important players on a Pistons team that has won a championship, another trip to the Finals, appearing on the Conference Finals year after year.
Rip is also a 3-time All-Star.
- Paul Pierce over Lewis (SF) - not even close. Lewis is a good player but Pierce is arguably the 2nd best SF in the league, behind King James.
- Carlos Boozer over David West (PF) - West is good but Boozer is an elite PF in the league.
Boozer averages 17.0 PPG and 10 RPG, while West averages 14.7 PPG and 6.9 RPG.
Who's the most celebrated PF between the two? Easy answer.
- Manu Ginobili over Prince (6th man) - I am a Pistons fan and I love Prince's dedication, work ethic and all-around hustle.
But Manu is simply a more talented player, a guy that can change a game.
Manu has 3 championship rings, Olympic medals and is simply a better player.
Somebody of Note said 02/19, 12:23 AM
It's great that you mention my decided advantages at point guard and centre. These are the two most important parts of my DDM offense. The fact that you've even admitted it only proves that my O is going to run smoothly.
Tony has a decided advantage over Baron at the point. Off the dribble, Parker can just zoom around him, which would require help defenders, and therefore leave a man open and dangerous on the perimeter. Parker is one of the smartest and most talented scoring points in the league today, and his passing is superb. If he feels pressure, he can instantly whip it out. That's the beauty of the DDM; less about individual matchups than finding openings, and Parker can do the latter in spades.
Underneath, Howard is the perfect freakish athlete to capitalize on opportunities. He can dance up and around Yao, and overpower him. He's going to be the dynamic scorer and rebounder that this offense can bob and weave around. Driving to the bucket is easier for Tony, AI, Reshard, and David because they can't get help without letting Dwight roam.
Re: power forward, I'd have to disagree with you. West is a much quicker player than Boozer, and he's really a blossoming scorer.
Hyped78 said 02/19, 06:08 AM
I have nothing against your offensive tactic, but David West is a player certainly not suited for it.
West is not a perimeter player, we're talking about someone who cannot shoot the 3, someone that doesn't have a big shooting range.
While I gave you the Tony Parker over Baron Davis advantage, bear in mind that if we are talking about fantasy bball my Baron Davis wins, for he averages more points, rebounds and assists, career-wise, than your Parker.
Either way you look at it David West is not a better player than Carloos Boozer.
Not from a player's perspective, and not from a fantasy bball perspective.
West is "quick", "blossoming scorer". Is that all you have?
Facts do not lie.
Carlos Boozer averages more points, more rebounds, more assists and more steals per game, than David West.
Even Boozer's FG% is better than West's !!!
Somebody of Note said 02/20, 12:51 AM
West doesn't fit into my offense? You know, you're right. Let's totally throw out his college days at Xavier, where he played in a system that counted on forwards slashing and making plays similar to the DDM. Let's also forget his excellent, "old-school" mid range jumper. Other than that, he's a terrible fit for my offense.
Tayshaun Prince, however, is an excellent fit. He's long, athletic, and an incredible defender. He has a very capable three-point jumper, and is a great slasher. He's quite possibly the prototype for the DDM at the wing.
We're not talking about fantasy ball, so you can throw that Davis-Parker comparison out.
Now as for West, I find it stunning how quickly you throw out a guy who's a back-to-back all star based on a few crappy seasons at the beginning of his career. West is the more talented player, is a better defender, and is less prone to racking up fouls. These two never played head-to-head this year, but I'd imagine that West would use his quickness, especially in the DDM, to capitalize on Boozer's lack of experience outside the paint.
Just for fun, Reshard Lewis' head-to-head stats against Pierce: 25 PPG, 7.5 RPG, and a 51.4 FG%. Seems like a +.
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