- 03/22/2009, 08:40PM ET
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 03/22, 08:40 PM
By the past season, I am talking about after the end of 2008 season to Opening Day 2009.
A.J. Burnett signed a 5 year $82,500,000 contract after the 2008 season coming off his 18 win season and opting out of his contract. This was, the worst contract given out. It averages to $16,500,000 per season for the next 5 years.
Here are A.J.'s career numbers:
87 wins, 76 losses. 3.81 career ERA. These are decent numbers. Not great, but decent.
Here are some stats from his contract year:
18 wins, 10 losses, 4.07 ERA, 1.342 WHIP.
Highest WHIP for him in any season with more than 25 starts.
Highest ERA for him in any season with more than 25 starts.
Most hits ever given up in a season by him with 211.
Most runs ever given up by him with 109, most earned runs by him at 100.
The reason I had to use 25 starts is because most of his career he lands on the DL at least once a season.
He has more than 30 starts 3 times in his career. All 3 times were contract years.
He is now the 5th highest paid pitcher in baseball in average salary, only behind Sabathia, Santana, Zito and Zambrano.
GoChiCubs said 03/22, 09:31 PM
I do not think so, Edgar Renteria. The guy signed a 2 yr./ 18.5 mil. dollar deal. 9.25 mil. a year. Burnett may not be durable but he's great when healthy right? Yes.
Now what about Renteria? He's great when not injured right? No. He was horrible last year his best year was when he put up these numbers:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
150 562 94 156 32 1 16 76 63 77 21 13 .278 .346 .423 .769
16 HR's? My man Mike Fontenot had 9 HR's in half the at-bat's! Not just above half. Half the at-bats and he's not a starter! Fontenot had 23 less RBI's in half the at-bat's. And don't say "Who cares about him he's a scrub" well first of all I'm making my point and the dude is getting half the ab's and is putting up pretty good numbers only 7 HR's and 23 RBI's behing a guy who got 500+ AB's.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 03/23, 09:11 AM
OK, you went with Renteria as your pick. A few things about Edgar. He is a decent ballplayer, has had a few all-star game appearances to his credit and is signed for a little more than just 1 year's salary for Burnett. It is a 2 year contract with an option for a 3rd for 18.5 million. Burnett is signed for 5 years at 82,500,000 at 16,500,000 per season. Huge difference.
Burnett is 32 years old, not exactly the age when you are looking for a pitcher to be at their best. His track record isn't very good as far as health. He misses a lot of games in non-contract years, and there are 4 years of this before his next contract year. He will be 37 when his contract expires and for a pitcher with a bad track record for injuries, that isn't a good thing.
Edgar is a 5 time all star, a very good track record as far as injuries go and a 3 time silver slugger winner. He may not be the player that he was a few years ago and may have signed for more than his productivity warrants, but at the same time, when you compare his contract to Burnett and the risk/reward potential, there is no contest here. He will be 34 when his contract expires. Better chance he finishes his out.
GoChiCubs said 03/23, 05:58 PM
A.J. had 17 wins last year. I do not think he can go that far downhill in one year. We all know Burnett isn't worth $16,500,000 a year but $9,500,000 for a guy who was once an ok ballpllayer. Honestly that's pretty bad considering there are backups doing better than that. And still the Yankees can afford him. Who can't they afford if he's getting you 9-13 win's he's still giving you a solid season but not great. Neither one of them deserves that much money. And add on the Economy right now. Burnett is not going to do very well my prediction is:
12-11, 4.26 ERA, 180 K's, 69 BB's.
Not too bad but bad enough.
My prediction for Renteria.
9 HR's, 55 RBI's, 3 SB's, 265. BA.
Honestly that's pretty bad considering there are backups doing better than that.
I'd be surprised if Renteria is better than Mike Fontenot this year.
Schad - Notorious Deadbeat said 03/23, 07:37 PM
First things first. You have yet to get any of the stats you are using correct. Please look them up before posting. Burnett had 18 wins, not 17. Renteria had better seasons than the one you said is his best.
Second, just because the Yankees can "afford" the contract, that does not make any difference whether the contract is bad or not. A lot of other teams sign bad contracts:
Zito in San Francisco
Chan Ho Park in Texas
Rodriguez in Texas
Hampton in Colorado
Neagle in Colorado
And on and on.
Then you say Renteria will have a worse season than a Cubs SS, what do you base this on? The SS for Chicago has never played more than 120 games in a season, while Renteria hasn't played that few since his rookie season.
GoChiCubs said 03/24, 10:35 AM
First of all it's a 2B. Mike Fonetnot. And the SS you are reffering to is Ryan Theriot. And he has played more than that except when he was in a pinch hitting role. Renteria will either really suck or get injured. I'm going to say suck. He has a great injury record. He will be worse than last year. The chances of Burnett being under 500. in W-L are very slim. Renteria does not steal very many bags. And does not hit for very much power. I'm going back to Fontenot. He had 7-10 HR's in 250 AB's, Renteria in 500 AB's had 10 HR's. Fontenot last year didn't srart a bunch a games he had 1-2 AB's per game while pinch hitting. Now during the time he started he had 3-4 AB's PG.
You made a point in my argument.
"The SS for Chicago has never played more than 120 games in a season, while Renteria hasn't played that few since his rookie season".
Ok first of all if he's played more than 120 games in each season why can he only hit 270. with 10 HR's?
When you have a backup doing better than you it's pretty bad.
I don't know what else to say besides Burnett nor Renteria will perform up to there contract.
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